Lee Anderson, Conservative deputy chair says asylum seekers should ‘fuck off back to France’ if they don’t want to be housed on the Bobby Stockholm barge

Robert Jendrick has just now defended Lee Anderson's frustration in a conversation with Nick Robinson. RJ and others like him seem determined to inflict more damage on the government. How low can they sink?

You mean UKIP that has been assimilated into the Tory party.

A reminder that the father and son making money out of this venture have, in the past, made large donations to the most right-wing of political parties (no I don't mean Tories or Labour)

Could I suggest that most of those respondingto this thread read the OP. The thread is not about the issue this politician used this langiage on.It is about whether it is acceptable for a politician, any politician, to use language like this in the public sphere - and it isn't.

Do not kid yourself that he spoke out in frustration and anger. No one like this makes any kind of announcement that reaches the public with out careful thought before be does so.

Lee Anderson has reduced public discourse to the level of a bar room brawl. He takes still lower the reputation of politicians in this country. He has made himself comfortable in the gutter and any politician, including our Prime Minister who condones language like this on any issue, is making themselves comfortable in the gutter with him.

karmalady

Frustration has spoken, He spoke for the majority who dare not say what they think

Oh I’d say what you think - I can’t possibly think why you dare not? I have no trouble saying what I think.

The Tories are trying to deflect from the fact that they are not going to “stop the boats” by shoving people into warehouses for years on end with nothing much to do. Yes there are alternatives - set up safe and legal routes, let people apply while they are outside the U.K., they can be fingerprinted, IDed, interviewed etc, if they are refused and rock up in a small boat they can be deported legally. If they are accepted they can travel safely. France have offered to help set a system up there but the government have refused to cooperate, maybe don’t want to be seen to work with the EU on anything. They are trying to coverup the fact that migration has increased since Brexit and the Dublin agreement which meant that they could be sent back has been revoked. This isn’t highlighted.

I weep at some of the posts on here
NO NO NO. He only speaks for racists let’s not tip toe around this

How wonderfully we embraced the white Ukrainians giving them everything ( rightfully so) but anyone fleeing from war or poverty or bad treatment who isn’t European should be sworn at and put into a floating prison

It’s simply Far Right racism equal to the Enoch Powel days
So Karmalady let’s put it as it is pure and utter Racism which unfortunately is still very much alive and kicking
Yes there is an underbelly it appeals to and they are here and always have been

I d swap a racist for a refugee ( however they arrived) any day.

Why don’t people “dare” to say what they think? I haven’t noticed any such reticence. Maybe they do think that anyone with non white skin shouldn’t live in the U.K., is that what they think? Who knows if they are all so silent? And if they are so silent who are we to assume we know what they think?

Frustration has spoken, He spoke for the majority who dare not say what they think

You know reflecting on the Tory rhetoric, there was a time that to read such language we had to turn to the BNP - now it is the Tory Party and apparently their supporters.

Interesting to read that those who have contacted the outside world from the barge are Afghans who arrived “legally” by plane to the U.K.

For those of you who would prefer that they “fucked off” perhaps you would like to reflect that these people served the U.K. and in many cases risked their lives in doing so. One has had to leave his family behind - absolute tragedy.

The U.K. has nothing to be proud of when we treat people as we are treating these folk. It is beyond disgraceful, and people on this thread who are using such language of hate, and suggesting that the conditions are more than adequate need to take a period of reflection on their moral and empathetic compass.

Yesterday afternoon there was a programme on CNN about African asylum seekers arriving in USA and how NY is finding it difficult to house them. The difference in the language, empathy, acceptance etc between the USA and U.K. was stark.

What is happening in this country is wholly reflective of the worse type of right wing ideology, seen in the rhetoric from the likes of Braverman and little Sunak, desperate to find something that will boost him in the polls. Well if this amounts to what we see happening in the U.K. I want none of it. Neither do I want to be associated with those who are willing to jump on the same bandwagon and turn their backs on those who served this country, sometimes with their lives.

There are not sufficient words to describe how ashamed I feel.

There was a time when standards in the House were a little higher and politicians were able to articulate their frustration or whatever mood or emotion overwhelmed them in more eloquent terminology.

Regardless of the issue - Anderson is a sexist oaf, his comments to and about women are crude. He has no gravitas nor refinement and is being accommodated by the current government because they assume he appeals to the Red Wall.

He's insufferable. Any fool can use the language of the gutter.

Here, perhaps, but it is naive to pretend that it doesn't fan the flames of hatred in our society, for hatred there is.

Tolerance of Lee Anderson and certain similar remarks - on here - allows an atmosphere where hatred can flourish.

Why not express frustration here about the lack of speed of processing of vast numbers that have built up over years by this government? Or the lack of facilities abroad that offer processing abroad before people set out here?

Instead of approving of someone swearing about the results of this neglect?

You only have to agree with the sentiments expressed by Lee Anderson to be showing hate

Frustration and exasperation rather than hate.

Casdon

Primrose53

Wyllow3

Yes, that really stood out in the news - the interview with the very valid bloke who had come by plane.

Indeed Siope - endlessly - like processing the backlog, like introducing centres outside the UK to request asylum, like actually putting real efforts into joining EU police forces

I've been shocked by the hate on here tonight. *Remember, please, that 61% of people who do apply are allowed to stay with valid reasons. The government have allowed a situation to build up and built up, then whip up hatred.

What hate? I think it has been a reasonable discussion.

Wanting controlled immigration and looking after our own people first is not hating people.

You only have to agree with the sentiments expressed by Lee Anderson to be showing hate.

Don’t be so ridiculous!

Primrose53

Wyllow3

Yes, that really stood out in the news - the interview with the very valid bloke who had come by plane.

Indeed Siope - endlessly - like processing the backlog, like introducing centres outside the UK to request asylum, like actually putting real efforts into joining EU police forces

I've been shocked by the hate on here tonight. *Remember, please, that 61% of people who do apply are allowed to stay with valid reasons. The government have allowed a situation to build up and built up, then whip up hatred.

What hate? I think it has been a reasonable discussion.

Wanting controlled immigration and looking after our own people first is not hating people.

You only have to agree with the sentiments expressed by Lee Anderson to be showing hate.

Wyllow3

Yes, that really stood out in the news - the interview with the very valid bloke who had come by plane.

Indeed Siope - endlessly - like processing the backlog, like introducing centres outside the UK to request asylum, like actually putting real efforts into joining EU police forces

I've been shocked by the hate on here tonight. *Remember, please, that 61% of people who do apply are allowed to stay with valid reasons. The government have allowed a situation to build up and built up, then whip up hatred.

What hate? I think it has been a reasonable discussion.

Wanting controlled immigration and looking after our own people first is not hating people.

Primrose53

He says it was frustration and anger that caused him to explode because every attempt they make to do something about the illegal economic migrant crisis is thwarted by crooked legal people, sympathetic charities or lefty dogooders.

I do share his frustration because whenever they think they have provided everything people need, at the 11th hour the damper is put on, yet Labour offer no alternatives.

It’s Bibby Stockholm by the way.

Absolutely spot on.

Yes, that really stood out in the news - the interview with the very valid bloke who had come by plane.

Indeed Siope - endlessly - like processing the backlog, like introducing centres outside the UK to request asylum, like actually putting real efforts into joining EU police forces

I've been shocked by the hate on here tonight. *Remember, please, that 61% of people who do apply are allowed to stay with valid reasons. The government have allowed a situation to build up and built up, then whip up hatred.

Urmstongran

Well I think he speaks for the silent majority in this country. Decent, clean basic accommodation and 3 meals a day? Gym use. Free buses into Weymouth. Doctor and dentist on call. Pocket money. A mobile phone. A games room and library.

What did these migrants expect? Hotel bed and board? That’s what they’ve been hearing from their mates. It’s time to make being over here clean but basic so that a few phone calls back across the Channel put some migrants off paying extortionate fees to traffickers. We are such a soft touch. France laughs at our naïveté.

It’s time we in the UK woke up. £6 million PER DAY this is costing the taxpayer here. Yes, decent living quarters ought to be provided. But these migrants (assisted by Care4Calais and lawyers whose best interests are served by thwarting all proposals - money in their coffers by keeping this roundabout turning) need a reality check.

I think he speaks for an unpleasant not so silent minority.

Polling consistently shows that a much larger percentage of the population have no problem with asylum seekers.

Ch4 are reporting today that, from the results of a poll of 11,000 people, if a general election were to be held now the tories would face an absolute wipeout, retaining only 90 seats. That doesn't look to me like a population where the majority approve of the tory persecution and vilification of asylum seekers in the hope of gaining votes.

Where's all the outrage at the very slow system to process asylum applications? Why isn't everyone furious with the government wasting good money by keeping applicants in limbo - and not allowed to work?

Surely, this government has contributed to the 'problem' yet finds it so convenient to blame asylum seekers, to encourage the public to lump them together with economic migrants and everyone arriving by boat - and see it as a big problem, a major disaster - deflecting the blame from themselves, of course!

Why bother implementing an efficient and cost effective asylum process* when you can just whip up a culture war, and appeal to the basest of your base at the same time?

*what this would look like, how it would work, what it would cost, and how it would remove the need for small boats for genuine asylum seekers/thus making distinguishing illegal entries easier has been explained a score of times.

Urmstongran

Well I think he speaks for the silent majority in this country. Decent, clean basic accommodation and 3 meals a day? Gym use. Free buses into Weymouth. Doctor and dentist on call. Pocket money. A mobile phone. A games room and library.

What did these migrants expect? Hotel bed and board? That’s what they’ve been hearing from their mates. It’s time to make being over here clean but basic so that a few phone calls back across the Channel put some migrants off paying extortionate fees to traffickers. We are such a soft touch. France laughs at our naïveté.

It’s time we in the UK woke up. £6 million PER DAY this is costing the taxpayer here. Yes, decent living quarters ought to be provided. But these migrants (assisted by Care4Calais and lawyers whose best interests are served by thwarting all proposals - money in their coffers by keeping this roundabout turning) need a reality check.

A lot of the money is actually coming out of our overseas aid budget ( this is never publicised) which has already been reduced. Overseas aid money that could be used to prevent people from having to escape from their own countries.

Interesting that the men on Bibby Stockholm interviewed by the BBC hadn’t arrived by boat, but had arrived by plane in the UK and sought asylum at the airport. Maybe Lee Anderson didn’t realise that they had no connection at all to France. He’s not the brightest.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66444120

I hope this thread isn’t taken down like the one this morning because of an outbreak of report button fever.

We’re adults!