Lee Anderson, Conservative deputy chair says asylum seekers should ‘fuck off back to France’ if they don’t want to be housed on the Bobby Stockholm barge

Nicenanny3 you should change your name. It is mendacious. You misuse the phrase 'sobstory' relates o special pleading for one person.

I am talking of the facts lying behind the reality of many of the small boat immigrants. I am not saying thay there should be open door immigration. But I do demand that we treat these fellow humans as just that and grant them dinity and justice and an understanding of what they havecome from, where they have come from why.

So many fascist governments start when the government subverts itspopulation and encourages them to see other people as sub-species, to be treated with contempt.

What is the salary of those who
Work for CareforCalais? You obviously know nicenanny . You’d think if they were only in it for the money they could do something more lucrative.

12:48westendgirl

Nice nanny , you say you have no idea. Perhaps you don't want to have any idea.That is a shame.

I could have a million ideas but as I'm only one person with one vote do you think anybody is going to take any notice of me also I'm not into virtue signalling like some on here I'm in favour of straight talking a bit like Lee Anderson 😉

12:25Whitewavemark2

Nicenanny3

11:01Whitewavemark2

I've no idea.

No, I didn’t think that you would have any idea. Thanks for confirming.

No problem, I assume you support the Criminal Smuggling Gangs transport model making them multi millionaires at 3500 Euros per person with about 40 plus on a dinghy wow, it's big business isn't it human trafficking, it's in their interest for this to carry on, also the human rights lawyers they won't want the boats to stop will they, all the legal aid money they are getting defending them will they want safe and legal routes I don't think so, also they won't want them going to Rwanda with no chance of getting their hands on them to make legal aid claims no wonder their doing everything in their power to stop this. As for CareforCalais and all charities nowaday big business paying their CEO big salaries, if the dinghies stop and their are no migrants camps in Calais that's the end of CareforCalais and their CEO will have to find another job. Safe and legal routes won't work because of the sheer numbers who want to come here and we can't take them all

Nice nanny , you say you have no idea. Perhaps you don't want to have any idea.That is a shame.

Nicenanny3

11:01Whitewavemark2

I've no idea.

No, I didn’t think that you would have any idea. Thanks for confirming.

Is that something to be proud of?

11:19M0nica

I'm not one for sob stories.

11:01Whitewavemark2

I've no idea.

Nicenanny3 What circumstances would lead you to mortgage your extended family's livilihood to pay for a much loved 16/17 year old son/grandson to take a journey of incredible difficulty and hardship where death is a real and everpresent threat for what? A chance to claim benefits, or because their plight in their home country is so desperate that even this, even though it means committing a dear loved child's, to a truly hazardous journey in the hands of people they do not trust, seems to offer more chance of survival than staying at home.

Put yourself in the shoes of the grandmother of such boys and think as she is thinking.

Nicenanny3

I've nothing against genuine asylum seekers I welcome the Ukrainian women and children fleeing wartorn Ukraine while their brave Husbands and Sons stay to fight for their homeland. I welcome with open arms the brave Afghan interpreters and their families who helped our troops. I don't and won't welcome the illegals coming over on dinghies having paid thousands of Euros to criminal gangs to get here, 100,000 and counting since 2018 enough is enough.

61% of them will be asylum seekers and subsequently recognised as a refugee. So 61000 of them will be not illegal even though they were desperate enough to take the risk to arrive in small boats.

How else do you suggest they arrive.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

Good post, MOnica

I think we all know that we can't have an ever open door, in the sense that we just let immigrants/asylum seekers in unquestioningly. Has any UK government ever done that?

I think we should have an open door, in the sense of a willingness to do what we can for them, for people fleeing from war and persecution. Which is an entirely different thing.

I agree with M0nica and MaizieD

The current situation cannot continue.

Why can’t people apply for asylum at U.K. Embassies abroad, it shouldn’t be that difficult to set up?

It's one of those questions many of us ask of this "Conservative" government. "How?" Of all the ways to make "the current situation" work, applying at the embassies must be the easiest.

However we do have a part of the population who were prepared to vote for Johnson. He told them all sorts of impossible things could be believed before breakfast.

When asked how he was going to do these things, he just "wiffled" and inferred that his superpowers would come into play. People who believed all that nonsense are really prepared to believe almost anything and only want to be told, like a child at Christmas, that they can have everything they want and they don't need to know how Santa does it. Or they accept the flying reindeer and sleigh.

I cannot think of a single conservative, of the type I've met through my life, who would not have asked "how". It was in their DNA. This party is not a Conservative Party.

I've nothing against genuine asylum seekers I welcome the Ukrainian women and children fleeing wartorn Ukraine while their brave Husbands and Sons stay to fight for their homeland. I welcome with open arms the brave Afghan interpreters and their families who helped our troops. I don't and won't welcome the illegals coming over on dinghies having paid thousands of Euros to criminal gangs to get here, 100,000 and counting since 2018 enough is enough.

Yes! Listening to my grandparents/parents telling stories of young sailors on the town in Plymouth! The military police would tour around picking them up 😄

GSM Single young men will find it extremely difficult to send for family members. Married men can send for their wives and children, and if they do I cannot see why this precludes them from earning a living for their family and contribute to society. What contribution to society does the ordinary person make that might be beyond them?

Mainly what these young single family free men will do is send as much of their income as they can home to their families in their country of origin

One of the problems of these young men not having families to join them is, as we know from all ethnicities and all levels of society, is that large groups of adolescent boys and young men left milling around together with little admixture of families tends to lead to trouble. Even the strict discipline of the armed forces has difficulty controlling the force of 20, 20 year olds on the town for the night. It is a physical thing and has to do with the growth and maturation of their brains and neural networks.

Someone I know is part of a friendship group with asylum seekers. She says people need to get to know these people as individuals. They are intelligent, articulate, many of them have skills that they are using to help both themselves and the local community. Isn’t it time that we regarded asylum seekers as individual people with a story to tell. That had a life in another country that we need to hear about so we can understand why they embarked on the perilous journey that they did. I realised the other day that people in the UK have got this idea that our nation has always been welcoming to people from other countries: that this is a wonderful country full of opportunities for everyone and that makes us some sort of soft touch. Our nation is made up of people from all parts of the world: some have invaded and some were fleeing persecution. But we haven’t welcomed them with open arms and have often treated them very badly even though we needed them eg Windrush. If people are fleeing wars, which many of them are, if we look at our history, we’re partly responsible for many of those conflicts because of the way we’ve meddled in world affairs for centuries. Look how we put borders in the Arab lands turning a nomadic people into people fixed in one territory, something that was alien to them. Look how we split India and the pain and hardship we caused by doing that. And, yes, even as someone that has high regard for Tony Blair for most of his political achievements, look at Iraq. And, even now, all the current government are doing with refugees is politicising them: making them into some sort of enemy that only they can save us from, even though they’re doing absolutely nothing. Yes, there is a problem and it’s a worldwide one but, until the world gets together and does something constructive it will continue to be a problem. And, quite honestly, I can’t see that happening. So, in the meantime, let’s try to look at these ‘boat people’ as fellow human beings that need our help.

Another strain on our NHS treating so called asylum seekers/illegals coming over in the dinghies suffering from who knows what.

M0nica

The figures are 75% men, 25% women. asylumineurope.org/reports/country/united-kingdom/statistics/

It is not surprising that the majority of assylum seekers are men. Firstly consider the situation of women in families in many countries whose men/boys arrive in this country, Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, Eritrea (link: same source as above).

In areas of conflict, those in greatest danger are young boys or men, whether they are pursued as coming from a family opposing the regime or are likely to be drawn into it or are just in danger because they are male and make good cannon fodder.

In such a situation, I could see that, at the moment, with a 13 year old grandson, I would be desperate to get the whole family away from the current situation, but especially get him away and out of the much higher danger he is in so that he could have some chance to grow up and live away from war.

Once he was 15/16, if I could get him out of the country to safety elsewhere, I would. I would know the journey to Europe was dangerous, but probably reckon it less dangerous than keeping him at home and, as most of these countries, were, if not British colonies, in the British sphere of influence, and my DGS may well have learnt English at school, I would want him to go the the UK, where there may well be xtended family or others from my village community.

I know we cannot have an ever open door, but we also need to understand what drives this movement of assylum seekeers and treat them as indivdiduals and with compassion, few people would take the very dangerous journey they have taken just to claim benefits. They make the journey to get away from the far greater dangers at home. Now and again imagine yourself in the situation these families are in and understand why it is the men and boys who come.

Perhaps someone could make up a computer game to play out the assylum seeker's situation, so that we could relive more easily the terrible alternatives these people seek.

You drew that picture so well MOnica. Thank you.

These leftie doctors need getting rid of!!

The Home Office has told an asylum seeker with TB they are going to be moved onto the Bibby Stockholm barge

The doctor treating the migrant is trying to prevent the move and has warned of a “public health catastrophe”

Callistemon21

^It is time that the UN got together and set out a plan that every country on earth can sign up to to deal with the problem. It has tweaked the international law over time, but we know from our own Government that they are willing to break international law - but something must be done^.

I think we all agree - but how effective is the UN?

If nothing is done then there is going to be anarchy and chaos.

Climate is set to be the biggest driver - I don’t think we’ve seen anything yet.

Germanshepherdsmum

It is unusual for the women and elderly to get jobs, even to learn the language. One young man will not be able to keep the family and contribute to society.

their brothers and sisters will join the, learn very fast, work hard...They will have children who will be educated here, and contribute fully. Women do work, of course- sadly often exploited, carers, textile workers- and many may well have qualifications that could be very useful to society.

I suspect so Nicenanny. I remember at the time of the last general election seeing candidates on tv canvassing door to door in a multi -ethnic area where an incredible number of different languages were spoken. If a woman was spoken to, invariably they relied on an English-speaking child to translate.

It is time that the UN got together and set out a plan that every country on earth can sign up to to deal with the problem. It has tweaked the international law over time, but we know from our own Government that they are willing to break international law - but something must be done.

I think we all agree - but how effective is the UN?

10:19Germanshepherdsmum

It is unusual for the women and elderly to get jobs, even to learn the language. One young man will not be able to keep the family and contribute to society.

They will be on benefits having paid hardly anything/nothing into the system

10:01Germanshepherdsmum

So the young men are the tip of a large iceberg.

Precisely