An election looms, so I think it is time to look at all the success over the 13 years that we have witnessed from the government.

Urmstongran

Getting Brexit Done.
Sorry, but yes it was important to me that the result of the referendum were respected, despite many in the HoC trying to thwart it with their myriad ‘indicative votes’. We were stymied until Boris got elected. Mind you he squandered that stinking 80 seat majority - in part due to Covid. Then the war in the Ukraine. But hey - we ARE out. Massive plus for me.

Really! Brexit was a disaster as a concept and has been a disaster since! I am still beyond angry that I have been forced to give up my many rights as an EU citizen for the Little Englanders!
If I could afford to move to another country I would go like a shot. This country thanks to the Tories and Brexit is a walking catastrophe!

But they haven't got rid of it - so surely it can be counted as a positive thing.

MayBee70

Haven’t the government been trying to remove the triple lock but haven’t been able to because it was in their manifesto?

They have.
inews.co.uk/news/politics/triple-lock-no-10-pledge-state-pension-guarantee-spending-concerns-2441093

CaroleAnne

I have never seen such a load of negativity from this site and would ask those of you who seem depressed to step up and not use it to cover up for your own inadequacies.
I am not wealthy but can see some very positive ways forwards that this government are making.
It might cheer you up if you look under the stones.

Well, this thread was started so that tory supporters could showcase the tory achievements of the past 13 years.

A splendid opportunity for you to detail all these positive ways forward, isn't it?

I'm sure that many of us are all ears...

twinnytwin

Triple lock pensions - brought in under Cons/Lib Dem coalition.

Wasn't the pension plan put together before the Parliament was elected, by the Liberal Democrats?

Wasn't this plan one of the leading promises that they kept, when they were forced to give up others?

CaroleAnne

I have never seen such a load of negativity from this site and would ask those of you who seem depressed to step up and not use it to cover up for your own inadequacies.
I am not wealthy but can see some very positive ways forwards that this government are making.
It might cheer you up if you look under the stones.

Why does telling the truth become "such a load of negativity", in your head Carol Anne?

Rather than attacking other posters, some of whom obviously do feel negative about this government's 13 years, you have plenty of opportunity to tell us what good things have happened, or why the things being described haven't had a negative outcome.

Just like everyone else you are free to put a negative or a positive point of view or even something in the middle.

Haven’t the government been trying to remove the triple lock but haven’t been able to because it was in their manifesto?

Triple lock pensions - brought in under Cons/Lib Dem coalition.

Cossy

For the poster criticising Blair and his unlawful war, yes you’re correct, but he’s hardly representative of “real” labour and I’d say until this govt he was possibly one of the most corrupt PMs we’ve had.

Record School Budgets which still don’t “buy” much, and this final salary offer to teachers still isn’t fully funded meaning schools will have to fund out of existing budgets and teachers, along with some junior doctors and nurses are still earning derisory salaries and many thousands have left their professions or are seeking work abroad !

The war wasn’t unlawful. It was voted for by parliament and I believe that Blair took us into the war believing he was doing the right thing. Sad am Hussein was a murdering tyrant who was slaughtering his own people and was capable of anything. Which doesn’t mean to say that, in retrospect, it was the right thing to do, but you can only act in the information you have at the time: hindsight etc etc. I don’t see how Blair could be described as a corrupt politician: could you provide some facts to corroborate that please?

CaroleAnne

I have never seen such a load of negativity from this site and would ask those of you who seem depressed to step up and not use it to cover up for your own inadequacies.
I am not wealthy but can see some very positive ways forwards that this government are making.
It might cheer you up if you look under the stones.

The negativity on this site reflects the mood of the country CaroleAnne. The people who are standing up to say what they think of the way the country is being run aren’t the ones with the inadequacies. Just look at any facts produced about what’s happening, look at the polls, and read between the lines as well as the facts presented by the right wing press. It’s all there in plain sight.

For the poster criticising Blair and his unlawful war, yes you’re correct, but he’s hardly representative of “real” labour and I’d say until this govt he was possibly one of the most corrupt PMs we’ve had.

Record School Budgets which still don’t “buy” much, and this final salary offer to teachers still isn’t fully funded meaning schools will have to fund out of existing budgets and teachers, along with some junior doctors and nurses are still earning derisory salaries and many thousands have left their professions or are seeking work abroad !

CaroleAnne

You say we are negative, most of us would say we are realists, please could you list the many positive ways forward Tories have made in the last 13 years

PS no “referendum” had to be “honoured” as it was an advisory vote that Cameron badly misjudged as to the outcome, and I, & many others, are yet to see tangible benefits or massive trade deals

I have never seen such a load of negativity from this site and would ask those of you who seem depressed to step up and not use it to cover up for your own inadequacies.
I am not wealthy but can see some very positive ways forwards that this government are making.
It might cheer you up if you look under the stones.

Vaccine was developed by scientists from many different country just based here and I’d say the swift roll out was due to our amazing NHS and literally thousands of volunteers, including those who helped test it. Yes , well done Johnson for releasing the necessary funds and for taking ALL the credit !

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Urmstongran

You’d surely all have to agree that a democratic vote (by those who could be bothered) such as the referendum was, needed to be honoured?

Referendums in the UK are advisory to the government of the day. It was Cameron who made the pledge based on no amendment to that fact which confused the issue. Parliament was quite right to debate the matter. We don't send MPs to the Commons as delegates. They are representatives intended to exercise their judgment. The advice from the referendum was quite finely divided and any legislative body should spend time debating the consequences of taking action on such an outcome. In this case the outcome has been disastrous for the UK as increasing numbers of voters are recognising. Cameron and the Johnsonite Tories made a serious mistake which was compounded by the Truss factor.

Record schools budget
Maybe, but the money buys less than it did before.

A success, on the back of a total disaster, is the number of volunteers who have stepped up to run local food banks. The downside is that there is now much less surplus food to go round, so some food banks are closing. I could say a lot more. I run a food bank in one of the 10% most deprived areas of the country.

I did not think it was possible for our democracy to have such a bad lot as we have now. They do not even have the decency to resign when they are called out for bad behaviour. I have to admit they did buy vaccine for Covid but I’m sure any party would have done that. The fast role out was actually the GPs / local Nhs services putting on mass clinics many giving a lot of their own time to do so ( my adult children included )

Yes tories haven’t done well but neither have labour if you want to point score we got involved Afghan and Iraq thanks to labour my son and daughter inlaw both serving lost friends and watched friends and both of themselves getting injured. As a parent I’d never vote Labour plus they can’t say what a woman is so that’s definitely a no tick from me. I’m going to vote for an unknown party if I even bother to vote

It is going to happen isn’t it.? People are voting tactically and kicking the Tories out. This is a massive loss!

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Freebridge Lynn (Norfolk) Council By-Election Result:

LDM: 38.4% (New)
CON: 31.0% (-33.7)
GRN: 24.0% (+4.3)
LAB: 6.6% (-9.0)

Talking about wealth

Will Hutton

Without London Britain would be one of the poorest countries in the west. Our assets squandered and our economy chronically mismanaged - thank you, the British right.

Not a success -except as I said for the wealthy.

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MaizieD

Freya5

Click bait.

I don't think you quite understand the purpose of 'clickbait' ..

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Of course, Wwmk2, you could secretly be making £squillions from this thread...

MaizieD

Freya5

Click bait.

I don't think you quite understand the purpose of 'clickbait' ..

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Tories as we know are awful need to be got out of government.

Labour are no better. Will not vote for them.