An election looms, so I think it is time to look at all the success over the 13 years that we have witnessed from the government.

Yes Calistemon Wild flowers 🌹 🌷 💐

Rachel Reeves confirms Labour won't raise taxes on the rich. Conservatives

In an interview with the Telegraph, she confirmed the following:

❌ No wealth tax
❌ No mansion tax
❌ No income tax rises for the rich
❌ No increase in capital gains tax

Apparently, Sir Keir Starmer has accepted more corporate hospitality than every other
@UKLabour
leader put together. I wonder why?

I don’t think that it has been mentioned on GN, but Sunak has “failed” to mention so many conflicts of interest that he is beginning to look more corrupt than most. His family are going to benefit financially from so many actions by his government.

I notice that Sunak is once again polishing his US green card credentials, by sponsoring university degrees in US - you know - the sort he said were rubbish in the U.K.

He better get a wiggle on as he only has perhaps 1 year maximum to get organised.

Grany

Callistemon21

Well thank you, now I know.
That's me put firmly in the box labelled "Weird Quotes on Gransnet"

😁

Hello Grany, I doubt we've ever been put in the same category very often
Do you have a precise figure?
I do remember having a nice chat about wild flowers in your garden 🌼🌸🏵

Thats what I thought Calistemon we agree on something, Starmer
Weird Quotes 😄

😁
And Wild Flowers

You are not angry and Ireful, State facts and reasoned opinions Glorianny This is a Politics and News thread for debating. Perhaps we could all be Weird Quotes together Starmer

Well Grany and *Callistemon21 at least you don't get cross
Everything you write is both angry and negative. People get fed up with other people's ire. You do not put forward anything positive or even answer others' questions. You seem to want to be angry, tell others what they are thinking and then tell them they are wrong.
and you aren't
trying to ram anything down anyone's throat.
And you are Weird Quotes together. I'm "Angry and Ireful^ all on my own!

Callistemon21

Well thank you, now I know.
That's me put firmly in the box labelled "Weird Quotes on Gransnet"

😁

Hello Grany, I doubt we've ever been put in the same category very often
Do you have a precise figure?
I do remember having a nice chat about wild flowers in your garden 🌼🌸🏵

Thats what I thought Calistemon we agree on something, Starmer
Weird Quotes 😄

Well thank you, now I know.
That's me put firmly in the box labelled "Weird Quotes on Gransnet"

😁

Hello Grany, I doubt we've ever been put in the same category very often
Do you have a precise figure?
I do remember having a nice chat about wild flowers in your garden 🌼🌸🏵

Callistemon21

^So, factually, how many? And when did they ask you to represent their views? How did you collate these opinions. What proportion of the voting population felt differently?^

Sorry, you could find out if you need to know absolutely precise figures.

I don't feel any need to know, any more than I want to read the weird quotes from Grany. It all just biased personal opinion Callistemon21.

I do find it quite interesting to find out what Labour are doing and why though, just as I like to find out the same about the other parties.

It's about the Coronation!?

MerylStreep

It seems that The Guardian agrees with Callistemon and not you DaisyAnneReturns.

www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/09/first-edition-keir-starmer-labour-policies

I haven't read the article yet but I don't think the "and not you" can be correct as I didn't express any opinion, I just asked questions.

What you are really telling us is that you, not Callistemon21 think you have found what you believe to be evidence that supports what they said.

I’m surprised by the comments in this thread, Starmer isn’t going to please everyone who may vote Labour but is the best chance of beating the Tories. In the same was many Tory voters dislike Sunak but currently he’s the best they’ve got.

Indecisive, if he is during the election campaign he will not win the media will crucify him as they did Corbyn, so we had all better hope that he is keeping his powder dry.

DaisyAnneReturns

Callistemon21

Ok, I'll amend that and say that, in the opinion of many, including me, Starmer is disappointedly indecisive.

So, factually, how many? And when did they ask you to represent their views? How did you collate these opinions. What proportion of the voting population felt differently?

You are still nowhere near a fact. Even those you believe agree with you are just a guess.

Well actually more people dislike Starmer than like him-39% dislike 27% like. So actually they probably find him indecisive or perhaps duplicitous.
yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Keir_Starmer
And that's my "angry" contribution.

So, factually, how many? And when did they ask you to represent their views? How did you collate these opinions. What proportion of the voting population felt differently?

Sorry, you could find out if you need to know absolutely precise figures.

It seems that The Guardian agrees with Callistemon and not you DaisyAnneReturns.

www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/09/first-edition-keir-starmer-labour-policies

Callistemon21

Ok, I'll amend that and say that, in the opinion of many, including me, Starmer is disappointedly indecisive.

So, factually, how many? And when did they ask you to represent their views? How did you collate these opinions. What proportion of the voting population felt differently?

You are still nowhere near a fact. Even those you believe agree with you are just a guess.

Ok, I'll amend that and say that, in the opinion of many, including me, Starmer is disappointedly indecisive.

Callistemon21

He's disappointedly indecisive.

What I am sure you meant to say is that you find him (who?), etc., etc. It is just your opinion after all. No person is anything just because you believe it to be the case.

It really is amazing how those who think their opinions matter soooo much really don't do facts or, in many cases, don't recognise what they are saying is not a fact so of little use to any one else.

For those who want to know more about "him", you might find this interesting www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra0QsG6EihY

Starmer has taken more freebies than all Labour leaders since 1997 combined
Labour leader’s 28 junkets include Spurs hospitality, two Coldplay concerts and a £380 dinner from Google at Davos

While the Labour leader spent his first year and a half in the role under lockdown, he has quickly made up for it, accepting gifts from donors including multi-millionaires, gambling giants, the online shopping app GETIR and the construction giant Mulalley & Co on 28 separate occasions. The gifts include days at the races, hospitality at Chelsea and Tottenham Hotspur matches, an Adele gig, and two separate Coldplay concerts. In total, they are worth nearly £30,000.

In his five years as Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn only accepted one such freebie: tickets to Glastonbury, where he spoke on the pyramid stage in 2017. Former Corbyn adviser Andrew Fisher told openDemocracy the Islington North MP had made a point of turning down corporate hospitality.

“Politicians at any level shouldn’t be beholden to corporate interests,” he said. “They’re elected to represent the people, and are well paid for it.”

www.opendemocracy.net/en/keir-starmer-freebies-junkets-tottenham-hotspur-chelsea-coldplay-adele-google/?utm_source=social&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=rss

When DPP he also put a lot on expenses. Read Matt Kennard investigative journalist 5 stories about Starmer very revealing

I’m glad you haven’t had the same experience I have Dinahmo but I can assure you I am telling the truth. I could name the poster who said I was morally bankrupt but I have no intention of doing so. It was a long time ago now, and it was the final straw that made me decide to avoid the political threads. The poster is still very active.

nightowl

Thanks Oreo I appreciate your post, but I try to avoid political threads these days anyway. I supported Jeremy Corbyn and we all know what that means .

I was called hard left, a communist (which is laughable to those who know me) and ‘morally bankrupt’ (which I have to admit still stings, as integrity is everything to me). None of it actually bothers me now, and I'm certainly not afraid to state my opinions but I mostly can’t be bothered to be honest. I think people are so entrenched in their own opinions that there’s little room for actual debate on these threads, so I’m happy to let them be. And it looks to me as though the lefties get more of a bashing than the other way around, but I would say that wouldn’t I?

I supported Corbyn. As I've mentioned in the past I joined the LP in order to vote for him. No one, but no one, has called me any of the names you mentioned in your second paragraph above.

As regards leftie bashing, I think most of us on here who are left of centre would call ourselves lefties. It is the easiest description to use. That does not make Marxist, Leninist, Momentum or anything else. We are just left wing and not particularly extreme

He's disappointedly indecisive.

nightowl

I give up

I am sorry, but give up on what?

The First Past the Post is almost unique, and it has to be taken into account when voting in the UK. Abstaining, or voting for a minor party that has NO chance whatsoever of getting FPTP - mean that the opposition disappears, and the Tories are likely to get in again.

I also would like KS to be more 'left wing' and radical, and decisive. But what is the alternative here, due to FPTP.

I think my world will be destroyed if anything ever comes out about Tom Hanks.