An election looms, so I think it is time to look at all the success over the 13 years that we have witnessed from the government.

Urmstongran

You’d surely all have to agree that a democratic vote (by those who could be bothered) such as the referendum was, needed to be honoured?

Why? Since it has been proven beyond doubt, that it was NOT democratic and based on so many lies, with outside interference- that, had it been binding, would have been cancelled by the Electoral Commission?!?

That’s wriggling if ever I saw it Maizie. You talk about ‘the wealthy’ so must be able to define who you consider them to be - otherwise how can you say they have become wealthier?

Ilovecheese

Stopping PFIs

They stopped everything, Ilovecheese! State spending cut to the bone, with the results we're now living with..

Was that a good thing?

Germanshepherdsmum

MaizieD

Your OP about wealth told me all I need to know about this thread tho.

Had you not noticed that only the wealthy have increased their wealth over the past 13 years while the rest of the population has steadily fallen behind in real terms and many have fallen into poverty?

I'm sure that the wealthy must count 13 years of tory government as 'successful' It's just stating the obvious, isn't it?

What’s your definition of ‘wealthy’ Maizie?

Probably not yours, GSM, so I'll not bother...

A very speedy and responsive passport service.

varian

It certainly stinks that an 80 seat majority was gained by only 43% of the votes

And the politician who gained that majority is now a proven liar!

MaizieD

^Your OP about wealth told me all I need to know about this thread tho.^

Had you not noticed that only the wealthy have increased their wealth over the past 13 years while the rest of the population has steadily fallen behind in real terms and many have fallen into poverty?

I'm sure that the wealthy must count 13 years of tory government as 'successful' It's just stating the obvious, isn't it?

What’s your definition of ‘wealthy’ Maizie?

"Massive plus for me"

Brexit has been a massive minus for me and many others.

It certainly stinks that an 80 seat majority was gained by only 43% of the votes

Urmstongran

Getting Brexit Done.
Sorry, but yes it was important to me that the result of the referendum were respected, despite many in the HoC trying to thwart it with their myriad ‘indicative votes’. We were stymied until Boris got elected. Mind you he squandered that stinking 80 seat majority - in part due to Covid. Then the war in the Ukraine. But hey - we ARE out. Massive plus for me.

The 'stinking 80 seat majority'? Well said, Urmstongran!

Well apparently we've moved up to 4th place in the international rankings for reading.

However if a couple of incidents, one experienced, one related, are anything to go by I can't imagine we lead the world in maths, or even basic arithmetic as was applicable in the following. In a pub a few weeks ago, we ordered a couple of drinks, can't remember what the actual amounts were, but really easy almost round figures. that could be done in the head without difficulty. The girl behind the bar, aged late teens asked us to hang on while she got her phone to add these two amounts together and then the other day, whilst buying some hooks in a picture framing shop, the proprietor told us that an 18 year old she had working on Saturdays couldn't work out the change taking £4.90 from a £10 note

* Umstrongran* Brexit has broken this country (and many hearts ) add to that the many far right politicians and we have a country that I now despise instead of love There is NOTHING democratic about this place
13 years of hell getting more so year on year

Stopping PFIs

Your OP about wealth told me all I need to know about this thread tho.

Had you not noticed that only the wealthy have increased their wealth over the past 13 years while the rest of the population has steadily fallen behind in real terms and many have fallen into poverty?

I'm sure that the wealthy must count 13 years of tory government as 'successful' It's just stating the obvious, isn't it?

Urmstongran

You’d surely all have to agree that a democratic vote (by those who could be bothered) such as the referendum was, needed to be honoured?

Ahh. But that vote, as has subsequently been proved, contravened part of the definition of a democratic campaign.

The pertinent words are 'free and fair'.

While the campaigns were certainly 'free' the 'fair' element is highly questionable in that £millions were spent on 'dark adverts' shown only to a target audience, who'd been carefully identified as highly likely to be influenced by them, and not available publicly to enable anyone to counter the messages in them. Most undemocratic...

Oreo

Actually an election doesn’t loom.

Actually, it does. If the election is in November 2024 it’s less than 500 days away. When you take out recesses etc. it’s 150 days approximately per year that the Commons sits. So we’re only looking at about 170 days more of parliamentary activity before the election. That cheers me up.

Urmstongran

You’d surely all have to agree that a democratic vote (by those who could be bothered) such as the referendum was, needed to be honoured?

The “corrupt and illegal practices” of the Vote Leave campaign in the 2016 referendum undermine the validity of the decision to leave the EU, ruled by high court.

So much for democracy.

MayBee70

Bella23

I'll second you Oreo with the speedy roll of vaccines and backing Astra Zenica when Trump was still in denial and telling Americans to drink Bleach. I'm a floating voter who was brought up in an area that is bound to swing back to labour.

Research into the vaccine did, however, began 20 years ago when there was a Labour government. Brexit has resulted in the UK being cut off from a lot of research programmes and we lost the Medicines Agency because of it.

Oh, and we’re still not back on the Horizon programme.

You’d surely all have to agree that a democratic vote (by those who could be bothered) such as the referendum was, needed to be honoured?

Excellent success in extending the NHS waiting list.

The best ever apparently.

The voyeurism act.

Bella23

I'll second you Oreo with the speedy roll of vaccines and backing Astra Zenica when Trump was still in denial and telling Americans to drink Bleach. I'm a floating voter who was brought up in an area that is bound to swing back to labour.

Research into the vaccine did, however, began 20 years ago when there was a Labour government. Brexit has resulted in the UK being cut off from a lot of research programmes and we lost the Medicines Agency because of it.

I don't think that getting Brexit Done can really be counted as a 'success' without severely straining the meaning of the word 'success'.

I would propose that it was an 'achievement' because it undoubtedly was.

Legalisation of same sex marriage although I’m sure that would have come about regardless of who was in power. Looking back to when my kids were at school it’s wonderful to know now that if your child is gay they can marry and have children.

Urmstongran

Getting Brexit Done.
Sorry, but yes it was important to me that the result of the referendum were respected, despite many in the HoC trying to thwart it with their myriad ‘indicative votes’. We were stymied until Boris got elected. Mind you he squandered that stinking 80 seat majority - in part due to Covid. Then the war in the Ukraine. But hey - we ARE out. Massive plus for me.

Unfortunately Brexit is a massive minus for something like 70% of the population.