An election looms, so I think it is time to look at all the success over the 13 years that we have witnessed from the government.

So what you’re saying is that you think he should lose his role as Labour leader because of a situation he knew nothing about because it hadn’t ever been referred to him., as somebody else within the 6000 staff of the CPS took it on themselves to make that decision, and although he supports an inquiry which will find out exactly what happened and will no doubt take it on the chin if any elements are down to him. The most obvious failure in this case lies with the police of course, which you conveniently haven’t mentioned.

I don’t think he should lose his role over this trumped up issue, and judging by the latest poll neither do the electorate, but as it suits you to keep knifing him in your echo chamber, you will no doubt carry on.

MaizieD

Glorianny

If Starmer had said "No" to a public inquiry he would immediately have been subject to a lot of negative publicity.
But here's a typical Starmer wriggle
In April
The Labour leader told Sky News in April that he took "full responsibility for every decision of the Crown Prosecution Service when I was director of public prosecutions".

Labour has said the case never crossed his desk and that Sir Keir had no personal involvement in it

There were meetings between the CPS and greater Manchester Police about the new evidence.
The guidelines of the CPS were not followed.
A man spent 20years in prison because of this.
And Keir Starmer was in charge.

What shall we do with him now then?

Publicly hung drawn and quartered? Would that satisfy you all?

After all, he is clearly a Very Bad Man.

Tell me how he can take responsibility for something that happened all those years ago, when he is no longer DPP?

Well he could start by acknowledging that there was obviously a complete cock up and as the man in charge he takes responsibility.
Yes all those years which a man spent in prison for a crime he didn't commit because the CPS failed to abide by its own guidelines.
Starmer meanwhile earned a fortune and built a reputation, unfortunately it's a reputation which is rapidly crumbling.

Glorianny

If Starmer had said "No" to a public inquiry he would immediately have been subject to a lot of negative publicity.
But here's a typical Starmer wriggle
In April
The Labour leader told Sky News in April that he took "full responsibility for every decision of the Crown Prosecution Service when I was director of public prosecutions".

Labour has said the case never crossed his desk and that Sir Keir had no personal involvement in it

There were meetings between the CPS and greater Manchester Police about the new evidence.
The guidelines of the CPS were not followed.
A man spent 20years in prison because of this.
And Keir Starmer was in charge.

What shall we do with him now then?

Publicly hung drawn and quartered? Would that satisfy you all?

After all, he is clearly a Very Bad Man.

Tell me how he can take responsibility for something that happened all those years ago, when he is no longer DPP?

If Starmer had said "No" to a public inquiry he would immediately have been subject to a lot of negative publicity.
But here's a typical Starmer wriggle
In April
The Labour leader told Sky News in April that he took "full responsibility for every decision of the Crown Prosecution Service when I was director of public prosecutions".

Labour has said the case never crossed his desk and that Sir Keir had no personal involvement in it

There were meetings between the CPS and greater Manchester Police about the new evidence.
The guidelines of the CPS were not followed.
A man spent 20years in prison because of this.
And Keir Starmer was in charge.

Casdon

I can’t be bothered to keep on finding answers to your ever more desperate attempts to split hairs Glorianny, why not look for yourself? Remember that you were the one who said the CCRC didn’t get many letters when they do?
I swear if there was a way you could find him at fault for the colour of his eyes you’d do it.

Sorry I should have said the CCRC can't get many letters from the CPS.
(And I'm the one splitting hairs!!)

Grany

Agree Glorianny
Could be Starmer is being avasive he's good at that. We are talking about the Conservative government being no good, but Labour are following same polices under Starmer so no change.

I didn’t realise that Labour agreed with Rwanda?

Agree Glorianny
Could be Starmer is being avasive he's good at that. We are talking about the Conservative government being no good, but Labour are following same polices under Starmer so no change.

Glorianny

And how many of those letters come from the CPS? Not many I bet. Most will be people imprisoned or their legal representatives.
Even so the number of letters they receive is irrelevant. The number the CPS send might be more use
.If the directions to an organisation are not followed correctly resulting in a man serving a longer prison sentence when his name should have been cleared, surely the head of that organisation bears some responsibility.

What has this to do with Conservative success over the last 13 years? Threads wander but this, and the previous comments, seem more like intentional derailing.

I can’t be bothered to keep on finding answers to your ever more desperate attempts to split hairs Glorianny, why not look for yourself? Remember that you were the one who said the CCRC didn’t get many letters when they do?
I swear if there was a way you could find him at fault for the colour of his eyes you’d do it.

And how many of those letters come from the CPS? Not many I bet. Most will be people imprisoned or their legal representatives.
Even so the number of letters they receive is irrelevant. The number the CPS send might be more use
.If the directions to an organisation are not followed correctly resulting in a man serving a longer prison sentence when his name should have been cleared, surely the head of that organisation bears some responsibility.

And yes, CCRC receives over 1000 letters a year. It is something that happens all the time.

And we don't know at what level in the CPS these are dealt with. It doesn't seem likely to me that they would go all the way to the DPP.

Glorianny

Casdon

Glorianny

So the CPS knew about DNA evidence, failed to fulfil their duty by writing to the Criminal Cases Review Commission and considered their duty done because they informed Malkinson's solicitors. But the then head of the CPS considers none of this was anything to do with him. Whatever happened to taking responsibility? The buck it seems stops anywhere except Starmer's desk. And people really think they can trust him!!!

What are you talking about *Glorianny, did you even read the article? He supports a public inquiry, he isn’t ducking anything.

I think people can see how desperate the left are getting to discredit him in any possible way they can conjure up, but it is getting somewhat ridiculous.

Of course he does Casdon he knows how long these things drag on, meantime he gets to be PM.
Letters to the CCRC can't be something which happen all the time and yet he didn't know about it!

That’s not a logical response for somebody who is guilty of this alleged failure, is it - I know, I’ll call a public inquiry so that when I’m PM I can be publicly shamed for my failure to do the job properly. Come on now.
And yes, CCRC receives over 1000 letters a year. It is something that happens all the time.
ccrc.gov.uk/

I wonder what exactly Grany's argument is. Calling politicians names and detracting from their character (unless they have broken a law or a parliamentary convention) is simply an attempt to create a distraction. Everyone without an argument does the same thing.

This is a political thread. So it would be nice to discuss the politics.

So Grany could you please *name that argument"?

No attacking personalities, just policies that have been announced that you disagree with.

Grany Having voted Labour for almost all my adult life (switching to SDP if the LP didn't stand a chance) I finally joined the LP in order to vote for Corbyn. I was impressed by him and I liked John MacDonald too. The policies were good but I think he went too far in what he was offering.

Unfortunately he was not up to much when dealing with the media. He allowed himself to be rattled by the likes of Andrew Neil when asked fairly innocuous questions.

Lessons should have been learned by all politicians following Paxman's interview with Michael Howard.

Here's a link for anyone that didn't see it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqU77I40mS0

The public is more clued up that politicians think and we are not taken in by their waffling. Also an increasing number of journalists are aware of this and will comment. So much so that many Tories do not want to face Susannah Read for example.

Casdon

Glorianny

So the CPS knew about DNA evidence, failed to fulfil their duty by writing to the Criminal Cases Review Commission and considered their duty done because they informed Malkinson's solicitors. But the then head of the CPS considers none of this was anything to do with him. Whatever happened to taking responsibility? The buck it seems stops anywhere except Starmer's desk. And people really think they can trust him!!!

What are you talking about *Glorianny, did you even read the article? He supports a public inquiry, he isn’t ducking anything.

I think people can see how desperate the left are getting to discredit him in any possible way they can conjure up, but it is getting somewhat ridiculous.

Of course he does Casdon he knows how long these things drag on, meantime he gets to be PM.
Letters to the CCRC can't be something which happen all the time and yet he didn't know about it!

Glorianny

So the CPS knew about DNA evidence, failed to fulfil their duty by writing to the Criminal Cases Review Commission and considered their duty done because they informed Malkinson's solicitors. But the then head of the CPS considers none of this was anything to do with him. Whatever happened to taking responsibility? The buck it seems stops anywhere except Starmer's desk. And people really think they can trust him!!!

What are you talking about *Glorianny, did you even read the article? He supports a public inquiry, he isn’t ducking anything.

I think people can see how desperate the left are getting to discredit him in any possible way they can conjure up, but it is getting somewhat ridiculous.

Dinahmo

Glorianny

So the CPS knew about DNA evidence, failed to fulfil their duty by writing to the Criminal Cases Review Commission and considered their duty done because they informed Malkinson's solicitors. But the then head of the CPS considers none of this was anything to do with him. Whatever happened to taking responsibility? The buck it seems stops anywhere except Starmer's desk. And people really think they can trust him!!!

Which of the recent PMs and/or ministers have accepted that the buck stops with them? None that I can think of.

Ah but they are all Tories! I expect a little bit better from a Labour PM OK I'm just naive

Glorianny

So the CPS knew about DNA evidence, failed to fulfil their duty by writing to the Criminal Cases Review Commission and considered their duty done because they informed Malkinson's solicitors. But the then head of the CPS considers none of this was anything to do with him. Whatever happened to taking responsibility? The buck it seems stops anywhere except Starmer's desk. And people really think they can trust him!!!

Which of the recent PMs and/or ministers have accepted that the buck stops with them? None that I can think of.

So the CPS knew about DNA evidence, failed to fulfil their duty by writing to the Criminal Cases Review Commission and considered their duty done because they informed Malkinson's solicitors. But the then head of the CPS considers none of this was anything to do with him. Whatever happened to taking responsibility? The buck it seems stops anywhere except Starmer's desk. And people really think they can trust him!!!

MaizieD

I get the feeling that people think that the CPS is a one man band. That the DPP is personally involved in every single one of the thousands of cases it deals with every year.

I know, it is ridiculous.

MayBee70

Grany

I don't hate Starmer. I do like honesty I find him dishonest. People don't know what he stands for if anything. In the interview five stories about Starmer with investigative journalist Matt Kemard, he is seen as establishment so when in government he will cave in to right wing even more than he has done now changing his polices. As Kenard said Corbyn brought democracy Starmer does what the establishment want so no change.

Corbyns ‘democracy’ pretty much resulted in the current government having the powers of a dictatorship. Fat lot of good that did. Most party leaders resign after an election defeat but Corbyn carried on because he wasn’t defeated as badly as was feared first time round. Anyway, Keir is leader of the Labour Party: nothing is going to change between now and the election and anyone that doesn’t support him is supporting the current government. Moan as much as you like after the election but please don’t gift the Conservatives another five years.

I don’t want to keep on about this but it was Starmer who wanted a people vote that gave the tories the election Boris said Get Brexit Done.

In the 2017 Corbyn almost won if not for his paid staffers also Blair and Mandelson joined in who worked against a win

Im not the only one who is moaning about Starmer plenty are.

I get the feeling that people think that the CPS is a one man band. That the DPP is personally involved in every single one of the thousands of cases it deals with every year.

Casdon

Grany

The Labour leader led the Crown Prosecution Service when it was made aware of the existence of DNA that exonerated Andrew Malkinson - who spent 17 years behind bars for a rape he did not commit.

Andrew Malkinson: Sir Keir Starmer urged to co-operate with potential public inquiry into 'appalling' miscarriage of justice

news.sky.com/story/andrew-malkinson-sir-keir-starmer-urged-to-co-operate-with-potential-public-inquiry-into-appalling-miscarriage-of-justice-12940950

Also the journalist locked up in Belmarsh for exposing America’s war crimes. Who could be extradited to America any time. Starmer was responsible for that all emails at the time he was involved at DPP destroyed.

Just saying.

What exactly are you ‘just saying’ Grany?
It actually specifically says in the article:
‘There is no suggestion that Sir Keir had any involvement in the case or was personally aware of it.’
Are you looking for omniscience in the Labour leader?

Just saying that when things go wrong Starmer has a habit of saying not my fault.

I’m saying as Matt the investigative journalist said Starmer wants to please the Establishment in America and Britain He will go along with what they want.

. The autistic young chap who Starmer wanted to extradite to America May stopped as it was against his human rights. Starmer went to America to say sorry it was not my fault.

I and many people have doubts about Starmer that all.

Grany

The Labour leader led the Crown Prosecution Service when it was made aware of the existence of DNA that exonerated Andrew Malkinson - who spent 17 years behind bars for a rape he did not commit.

Andrew Malkinson: Sir Keir Starmer urged to co-operate with potential public inquiry into 'appalling' miscarriage of justice

news.sky.com/story/andrew-malkinson-sir-keir-starmer-urged-to-co-operate-with-potential-public-inquiry-into-appalling-miscarriage-of-justice-12940950

Also the journalist locked up in Belmarsh for exposing America’s war crimes. Who could be extradited to America any time. Starmer was responsible for that all emails at the time he was involved at DPP destroyed.

Just saying.

What exactly are you ‘just saying’ Grany?
It actually specifically says in the article:
‘There is no suggestion that Sir Keir had any involvement in the case or was personally aware of it.’
Are you looking for omniscience in the Labour leader?

Grany

I don't hate Starmer. I do like honesty I find him dishonest. People don't know what he stands for if anything. In the interview five stories about Starmer with investigative journalist Matt Kemard, he is seen as establishment so when in government he will cave in to right wing even more than he has done now changing his polices. As Kenard said Corbyn brought democracy Starmer does what the establishment want so no change.

Corbyns ‘democracy’ pretty much resulted in the current government having the powers of a dictatorship. Fat lot of good that did. Most party leaders resign after an election defeat but Corbyn carried on because he wasn’t defeated as badly as was feared first time round. Anyway, Keir is leader of the Labour Party: nothing is going to change between now and the election and anyone that doesn’t support him is supporting the current government. Moan as much as you like after the election but please don’t gift the Conservatives another five years.