Refugees moved OFF BibbyStockholm barge..

Maremia

Just a wee question for Primrose53, and your PM tag team. You scroll past WWM2s posts, so why then have I seen your posts on threads generated by WWM2?

I never said that! I said people have advised me to scroll past them.

I suppose the right or wrong thing comes up when people stay things that are factually incorrect.

It can be annoying if for example you know that there are 100 pence in a UK pound and someone insists there are 101.

This can happen with anything that's based on facts. Obviously scientific "facts" can change/depending or mutate with knowledge but are facts as we know them -ordinary facts are facts, not opinion.
I think this is true even on a political thread.

I don't think this is technically a political thread though. It's really about the news.

Like Fleur I do think that some things at least go way beyond 'different views' and are 100% wrong.

Anywhere that takes paying guests/clients shoukd be testing properly.

It doesn't matter who they are.😏

Primrose53

legionellacontrol.com/guidance/why-is-legionella-a-bigger-risk-in-hospitals-care-homes/

Just to clarify Primrose53. There is a greater risk of legionella being present in hospitals and care homes. That does not equate to
‘ Hospitals and care homes are the most likely places to get Legionnaires disease’ as you suggested, because the control systems they employ are rigorous to prevent that happening. Higher risk does not equal higher occurrence.

I’m always very interested to read your posts WWM2 👍

The last stats regarding Legionella in hospitals and care homes seem to be in 2018/19, so it's hard to say what's going on now.

DiamondLily

The last stats regarding Legionella in hospitals and care homes seem to be in 2018/19, so it's hard to say what's going on now.

That’s very true as I have been looking too. That’s why I didn’t share any.

Usually they report these things, and I've not heard, in local media, of any outbreaks round here in care homes or hospitals.

I think the last outbreak of anything much was a spike in TB cases, which is a shame because we had obliterated it at one point.

I found this, which is interesting. It confirms that legionella is persistently present in hospitals, but that in Scotland no patients have been infected in the last ten years, which they put down to the control measures.
www.gla.ac.uk/news/archiveofnews/2022/october/headline_886883_en.html
Every time there is an outbreak in a hospital it hits the headlines, so it is safe to assume there is a very low incidence of infections UK wide - indeed, it’s one of the most rigorously applied checking systems in the NHS.

My apologies Primrose 53, (I had a look back at what you actually said), but I wonder who those posters are who advised you to do so? Would you and they genuinely relish bouncing around in an echo chamber? It's good to hear opposing views. Gives us all the stimulus to work out a convincing riposte.

Gives us all the stimulus to work out a convincing riposte ... maybe, Maremia, or to actually change our minds if proven wrong?

Facism and racism are not 'opinions' and can never be right.

Anything considered to be against guidelines may be reported if you wish and GNHQ can decide if the post should remain or be deleted.

I can’t stand the personal attacks on here that crop up from time to time. I haven’t seen any ‘fascism’ or ‘racism’ on this particular thread, it is not about that. Looking for things to accuse people of doesn’t contribute to the debate in any way.

Primrose53

Whitewavemark2

So Braverman and Jenrick knew about the legionnaires last Monday, but were still willing to risk both the staffs lives as well as the asylum seekers.

In my view their actions were criminal.

You don’t know that!

Just like the rubbish you posted about Nigel Farage not having enough money to have a Coutts account or being involved with Russians. Why post what you “think” you should only post what you know is correct. Even when Farage was cleared of all that you never apologise. It’s no wonder most people just scroll past your posts.

Hang on. In one post you say people should only post what they know to be correct. And then you post that ‘most people scroll past your posts’ which is something about which you haven’t got the faintest idea if it’s correct or not; you’re just stating your own uninformed personal opinion…

Fleurpepper

Facism and racism are not 'opinions' and can never be right.

I've looked back through this thread and cannot see a single post that's either racist or facist.🤔

Some want border control and controlled migration, which is reasonable, considering the dire housing shortage we have in this country.

Some want the traffickers stopped, because people are drowning - perfectly reasonable.

Some want unrestrained border control and to let everyone in - which is a point of view.

Throwing personal accusations in doesn't really help.🙄

dl Could be read as Just a statement though. And as a stand alone statement it is correct.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

I remember in school, we had the system tested by an agency regularly, as I believe any place with a large water tank has to be checked. The results were back in a matter of a few days. We always ran the taps for a while before use after a period of not using the system, like after school holidays and lockdown. Children aren't nearly as vulnerable as the elderly, and I assume the healthy young refugees fall into that category, so hopefully no one was too sick.

Well, to clarify, some take the view that everyone rocking up is genuinely fleeing terror/persecution.

That we should keep them, but not in detention centres, barges, tents or anything - and can't seem to understand the dire housing shortage we have.

If anyone suggests that some of those turning up may be terrorists, criminals, opportunists, or evomnic migrants, they are immediately accused of being racist in some way. Yet, when they turn up without passports, we don't actually know who they are or where they have actually started from.

I would say that's wanting a policy that welcomes everyone who turns up at the South Coast.

My view though.🙂

Joseann

I remember in school, we had the system tested by an agency regularly, as I believe any place with a large water tank has to be checked. The results were back in a matter of a few days. We always ran the taps for a while before use after a period of not using the system, like after school holidays and lockdown. Children aren't nearly as vulnerable as the elderly, and I assume the healthy young refugees fall into that category, so hopefully no one was too sick.

I'm not sure anyone was actually sick.

But, anyone who is health-vulnerable is more likely to catch any infection.

I was only 30 when I caught LD, but I'd not long had a big operation, so I guess I was pretty weakened by that. I would imagine that, if they have been fleeing across countries, as they say they have, and sometimes living rough, they might also be vulnerable.

DiamondLily

Well, to clarify, some take the view that everyone rocking up is genuinely fleeing terror/persecution.

That we should keep them, but not in detention centres, barges, tents or anything - and can't seem to understand the dire housing shortage we have.

If anyone suggests that some of those turning up may be terrorists, criminals, opportunists, or evomnic migrants, they are immediately accused of being racist in some way. Yet, when they turn up without passports, we don't actually know who they are or where they have actually started from.

I would say that's wanting a policy that welcomes everyone who turns up at the South Coast.

My view though.🙂

Not one single person has said they want unrestrained border control.
Not one single person has claimed that everybody who comes here by small boat is a genuine asylum seeker.
Not one single person has denied that people with criminal intent enter the country through this route.

Please read the thread properly before making such wild accusations.

DiamondLily

Joseann

I remember in school, we had the system tested by an agency regularly, as I believe any place with a large water tank has to be checked. The results were back in a matter of a few days. We always ran the taps for a while before use after a period of not using the system, like after school holidays and lockdown. Children aren't nearly as vulnerable as the elderly, and I assume the healthy young refugees fall into that category, so hopefully no one was too sick.

I'm not sure anyone was actually sick.

But, anyone who is health-vulnerable is more likely to catch any infection.

I was only 30 when I caught LD, but I'd not long had a big operation, so I guess I was pretty weakened by that. I would imagine that, if they have been fleeing across countries, as they say they have, and sometimes living rough, they might also be vulnerable.

Only two of the 38 asylum seekers on the Bibby Stockholm have been fleeing across countries and living rough. They arrived by plane and mainly came from Afghanistan. They would had paperwork and very possibly had been assisting the British armed forces.

That begs the question growstuff, if 36 of those people had paperwork, and had been assisting the British armed forces in Afghanistan, (which in many cases meant saving lives) why are they still in the 'process'? Why? Why is this Government so incompetent on so many levels?

But of course NotSpaghetti, just like everyone else on here.