Refugees moved OFF BibbyStockholm barge..

I contracted LD in 1986, from a jacuzzi. It's a nasty disease, and with its complications, has left me with life-long health problems.

I was in hospital a month, 3 weeks in ITU, in a coma.

They need to find out where the infected water source is.🙁

Refugees who apply for asylum in France are given accommodation. The ones camping round the ports have not asked for asylum in France and don’t want to get into the French system, they are trying to stowaway on lorries or take a small boat across to England. We couldn’t not give them accommodation as imagine the outcry if we had tens of thousands camping in our towns , or as many do, more just disappearing under the radar to work in the black economy or being dragged into crime. It’s better that we keep tabs, as far as possible, on those that arrive.

Callistemon21

^Legionnaires is not common^

It can be quite common if proper maintenance is not carried out. The systems should be in place to regularly treat and check. Sloppy maintenance is the problem.

It absolutely is, it will happen if the control processes are not rigorously employed, that’s why the guidance is so stringent. It’s a very serious health risk.

My friends’ DH died of legionnaires a couple of years ago. it was a horrible painful end.

Legionnaires is not common

It can be quite common if proper maintenance is not carried out. The systems should be in place to regularly treat and check. Sloppy maintenance is the problem.

Dinahmo

Many years ago a friend caught Legionella walking past an hotel in Leicester Square. She was asked whether she had been to that hotel, which she hadn't, but she'd breathed in the air being extracted from the kitchens as she walked past.

I remember it happening in a town in the North (was it Barrow?) too when seven people died and others became very ill. That was from the outlet from an aircon unit in a Council building.

It's everywhere and constantly checks should be made which they were in this case.
However, no-one should have been allowed on board before results came through, the source traced and the systems cleansed.

Callistemon21

GrannyGravy13

Germanshepherdsmum

Primrose53

If it is Legionnaires disease that can happen in the best hotels anywhere. My friend visited a very posh hotel in Shropshire and just after she got home they had it and had to notify her.

It’s also common in swimming pools, hospitals and spas. Not sure why people are calling the Government names like “hopeless” and “incompetent and heartless”.

Any excuse to bash the government Primrose, any excuse.

They also need to find the source of the bacteria, it could be in the pipes coming onto the barge, in which case any other outlets the pipes serve need to be tested.

I said that 😀

Legionnaires happens when there is poor management of the control systems, we had a very strict procedure in the NHS for flushing supplies, and hotels and other businesses where people stay should be doing the same. It’s managed through government legislation.
www.hse.gov.uk/legionnaires/what-you-must-do.htm
I would expect that this would have been a delegated function for a company commissioned by the government to maintain the Biiby Stockholm, rather than a direct government responsibility.
I take issue with what Primrose says though, Legionnaires is not common, there are only about 500 events a year in the UK, and it’s always to be treated very seriously where it is found.

🤞

It makes me so cross that we are paying millions to France to stop these boats yet still they come. The government is thwarted at every turn in trying to cope with the huge numbers turning up here, but the barge did seem to be a cheaper way of housing these migrants.

It’s impossible to overestimate just how stressful this issue must be for the government, but paying six million pounds A DAY for hotel accommodation is not sustainable.

If only the Rwanda plan could go ahead, there’s every chance that could act as a sufficient deterrent.

I expect the wretched human rights lawyers, paid by legal aid, will use this as another excuse why their ‘clients’ should not be placed on the barge.

GrannyGravy13

growstuff

GrannyGravy Broomfield Hospital in Chelmsford is 16 miles away, which is nearer than my nearest hospital.

I know where Broomfield Hospital is growstuff , I was merely pointing out where the nearest one was, and that it was a ^Cottage Hospital^

But that's no worse than it is for anybody in this part of Essex. I don't see hospital provision as a problem. In any case, Braintree Community Hospital is due to receive one of the government's brand new diagnostic centres.

Many years ago a friend caught Legionella walking past an hotel in Leicester Square. She was asked whether she had been to that hotel, which she hadn't, but she'd breathed in the air being extracted from the kitchens as she walked past.

Sorry Callistemon21 I am multi tasking, and badly 🤣

GrannyGravy13

Germanshepherdsmum

Primrose53

If it is Legionnaires disease that can happen in the best hotels anywhere. My friend visited a very posh hotel in Shropshire and just after she got home they had it and had to notify her.

It’s also common in swimming pools, hospitals and spas. Not sure why people are calling the Government names like “hopeless” and “incompetent and heartless”.

Any excuse to bash the government Primrose, any excuse.

They also need to find the source of the bacteria, it could be in the pipes coming onto the barge, in which case any other outlets the pipes serve need to be tested.

I said that 😀

Grantanow

My club had Legionella in the water tanks and it was closed for several days (more than a week, I think) for a clean out. It's deadly for some people.

Sorry my previous post was in response to Grantanow

It is, but it is preventable through regular checks and maintenance.
Any Facilities Manager should know that and it should be part of a planned maintenance programme.

Germanshepherdsmum

Primrose53

If it is Legionnaires disease that can happen in the best hotels anywhere. My friend visited a very posh hotel in Shropshire and just after she got home they had it and had to notify her.

It’s also common in swimming pools, hospitals and spas. Not sure why people are calling the Government names like “hopeless” and “incompetent and heartless”.

Any excuse to bash the government Primrose, any excuse.

They also need to find the source of the bacteria, it could be in the pipes coming onto the barge, in which case any other outlets the pipes serve need to be tested.

My club had Legionella in the water tanks and it was closed for several days (more than a week, I think) for a clean out. It's deadly for some people.

Fleurpepper

Callistemon21

www.gransnet.com/forums/health/1326652-11-year-old-has-not-seen-Dentist-for-over-12-months

Is it any wonder people get upset?

Refugees are not at fault here!

I did not say they were did I?

Read my post again.

Primrose53

If it is Legionnaires disease that can happen in the best hotels anywhere. My friend visited a very posh hotel in Shropshire and just after she got home they had it and had to notify her.

It’s also common in swimming pools, hospitals and spas. Not sure why people are calling the Government names like “hopeless” and “incompetent and heartless”.

Any excuse to bash the government Primrose, any excuse.

Primrose53

If it is Legionnaires disease that can happen in the best hotels anywhere. My friend visited a very posh hotel in Shropshire and just after she got home they had it and had to notify her.

It’s also common in swimming pools, hospitals and spas. Not sure why people are calling the Government names like “hopeless” and “incompetent and heartless”.

Because it is a simple process to test and clear premises and this should have been done before anyone was moved on board. But I suppose they had a photo opportunity and a front page to fill, so they didn't check. Which makes them "hopeless, incompetent and heartless"

growstuff

GrannyGravy Broomfield Hospital in Chelmsford is 16 miles away, which is nearer than my nearest hospital.

I know where Broomfield Hospital is growstuff , I was merely pointing out where the nearest one was, and that it was a Cottage Hospital

GrannyGravy Broomfield Hospital in Chelmsford is 16 miles away, which is nearer than my nearest hospital.

Freya5

Casdon

I don’t think the proximity of a hospital matters, young men are the lowest users of hospital services of all age groups and sexes, and many of us live a long way from our nearest general hospital, mine is 22 miles away, and for people living deeper into mid Wales it’s much further than that.
However, the GP issue is a really serious one, and will inevitably impact on all patients of the practices which are instructed to take on the additional workload. I can’t speak for England, but in Wales when services extra to the routine GP workload are required, they are commissioned as an additional service, with a specific budget, and practices are invited to submit tenders for the provision. This is done routinely for prisons, nursing homes, long stay mental health units etc. I would have thought that they should be doing something similar for all asylum seeker hotels etc.

They have a dedicated GP ,practice Nurses, and low and behold they've found a Dentist.

I’ve found it.
nhsdorset.nhs.uk/health-care-for-the-residents-of-bibby-stockholm/
It is a commissioned service of the type I mentioned, so a local practice will win the tender to provide the service without impacting on local residents. Just to emphasise, this is the norm for additional services, the asylum seekers aren’t getting a better service than any other commissioned service recipients in hospitals, nursing homes, prisons etc.

Callistemon21

www.gransnet.com/forums/health/1326652-11-year-old-has-not-seen-Dentist-for-over-12-months

Is it any wonder people get upset?

Refugees are not at fault here!