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Lucy Letby found guilty.

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Mollygo Fri 18-Aug-23 13:17:50

News just out.

Primrose53 Mon 21-Aug-23 14:01:07

CatsCatsCats

So glad she has received a whole life sentence for each and every child she killed or harmed.

It was interesting, though, to hear of reasons why it's not that straightforward to force a prisoner to attend court. One is that there is only a limited amount of force that can be used. The other is that the convicted person might make the appearance all about themselves by "causing havoc" as did the people who murdered Lee Rigby. It should be about the families of the victims to put across their point of view.

We have Keir Starmer to thank for allowing prisoners that choice. Until he put his oar in, prisoners were always made to appear in the dock.

I have just seen a very senior member of the Police on TV who said in his career he never heard of such a thing as criminals being allowed to stay in their cell.

Aveline Mon 21-Aug-23 13:59:57

nanna8's comment not Anniebach's

Aveline Mon 21-Aug-23 13:58:59

I agree with the sentencing but not comments such as the one above. We're better than that.

Anniebach Mon 21-Aug-23 13:57:20

Do we shackle prisoners ?

nanna8 Mon 21-Aug-23 13:55:12

Of course she should have been in court. What on earth are they thinking ? Preferably shackled hand and feet.

westendgirl Mon 21-Aug-23 13:51:25

The victim statements read out on the BBC news were so moving and tragic. I hope they were played in her cell.

M0nica Mon 21-Aug-23 13:51:15

EEjit look at the number of lifers who commit suicide. Harold Shipman and Fred West to name the most obvious. Many people like her would prefer execution to life imprisonment.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 21-Aug-23 13:46:20

CatsCatsCats

So glad she has received a whole life sentence for each and every child she killed or harmed.

It was interesting, though, to hear of reasons why it's not that straightforward to force a prisoner to attend court. One is that there is only a limited amount of force that can be used. The other is that the convicted person might make the appearance all about themselves by "causing havoc" as did the people who murdered Lee Rigby. It should be about the families of the victims to put across their point of view.

Yes and in a way, today was about the victims and their families without it being tainted by Letby’s presence.

CatsCatsCats Mon 21-Aug-23 13:44:19

So glad she has received a whole life sentence for each and every child she killed or harmed.

It was interesting, though, to hear of reasons why it's not that straightforward to force a prisoner to attend court. One is that there is only a limited amount of force that can be used. The other is that the convicted person might make the appearance all about themselves by "causing havoc" as did the people who murdered Lee Rigby. It should be about the families of the victims to put across their point of view.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 21-Aug-23 13:37:48

I hope she has a long life in prison because other prisoners and probably warders will make sure every moment is hell.

maddyone Mon 21-Aug-23 13:33:38

No to capital punishment.
Yes to her whole life tariff. Thirteen or fourteen times over. A life sentence for each baby she killed and a life sentence for each baby she tried to kill.
Justice.

Anniebach Mon 21-Aug-23 13:18:59

Yes, think of the innocent people we could hang

EEJit Mon 21-Aug-23 13:16:44

Letby given a whole life sentence. Shame we no longer have capital punishment

pce612 Mon 21-Aug-23 13:16:25

A whole life sentence for each and every baby she killed.
She will never be freed.

Jaffacake2 Mon 21-Aug-23 13:13:44

Just another thought about this case.
I am a retired nurse and prior to retirement was working in community child protection. There was a system in place of clinical supervision which involved staff being seen either individually or in a group to discuss cases and stresses brought about by dealing with traumatic situations. This was seen to help professional burn out and also to see if any member of staff was having mental health concerns due to the work.
This was over 10 years ago and I was wondering whether this is still in place for nurses. I feel this may have picked up on this nurses twisted ideas with such premature babies.

GoldenAge Mon 21-Aug-23 13:10:31

A view from a psychotherapist - LL is not insane, the insane are not capable of holding down a responsible (even a non-responsible in some cases) job. LL turned up for her shifts, cared for herself/appearance, planned her actions, and showed a caring attitude to the parents of the babies she murdered. She's a sociopath/psychopath (same thing) like other serial killers and should be kept behind bars - the greatest happiness for the greatest number. However, in my opinion, every single manager who was approached by anyone expressing concerns about these baby deaths, whether they have left the organisation or not should be prosecuted.

Primrose53 Mon 21-Aug-23 13:04:24

👏👏👏 whole life tarriff. She will die in prison. 👏👏👏

Backtoreality Mon 21-Aug-23 13:03:55

This is beyond sad for all concerned! As a family, we are counting our blessings as she nursed one of our grandsons in June 2016. I had concerns about her competence as I had to ask her to test him for jaundice - an hour later he was under a UV lamp. Was it incompetence or was she hoping he would deteriorate? I am so relieved now, that I challenged her!

Primrose53 Mon 21-Aug-23 13:01:27

How come she can refuse to appear in court today for sentencing and remain in her cell yet she left her prison cell to come to court?

I have heard on TV today that there is no law that says a prisoner cannot choose to remain in their cell. That is completely wrong and let’s hope the quicker they change that, the better.

Urmstongran Mon 21-Aug-23 12:58:52

Breaking News:

From The Guardian -

“As we wait for sentencing to begin, I’ve just had a statement from the Northern Care Alliance – the NHS body that employed the former Countess of Chester hospital executive Alison Kelly – to say that she has been suspended.

Kelly was the first executive to be told of Letby’s connection to the unexplained deaths in June 2015 – a year before she was eventually removed from the neonatal unit. Nicky Clarke, the chief people officer at Northern Care Alliance NHS Foundation Trust, says:

“I can confirm Alison Kelly has been suspended. We are unable to comment any further at this moment in time.”

ruthiek Mon 21-Aug-23 12:53:03

So awful and even worse is the fact that the children that survived many have disabilities .

tobyianathekid Mon 21-Aug-23 12:41:24

I feel so sorry for all the families affected. I can't imagine what they went through including getting told things like "it's not a police matter". For it to take nearly a decade to get justice is truly awful.

Nannan2 Mon 21-Aug-23 12:40:24

My two youngest sons were born really early, as was some of my grandchildren.Thank God we lived nowhere near where she was working..My condolences go out to those poor families.

Scottiebear Mon 21-Aug-23 12:35:08

It's a disgrace that she doesn't have to go to court to hear victims impact statements. The law needs to change.

Urmstongran Mon 21-Aug-23 12:14:49

Reading an article in the Guardian just now and this excerpt shocked me:

“DS Paul Hughes, who led the investigation, told the Observer the information provided by Brearey and his colleagues had been “the golden thread” for their inquiry. “They have been very brave in coming forward and they’ve put this ahead of their careers, in my view,” he said. “If it wasn’t for their ongoing determination, would there have been more [murders]? I don’t know. It’s difficult to answer or speculate on the future. But they’ve done well.”

If there was a smoking gun in this medically complex case, it was uncovered by one of Letby’s colleagues. On the night before Valentine’s Day in February 2018, nearly a year after police launched their investigation, Brearey was hunched over his computer screen when he spotted something unusual.

He had been asked by detectives to review the care of siblings and twins on the unit and was looking at the records of a seven-day-old boy. The infant, known as Child F, had suffered a serious collapse on the unit in August 2015, a day after his twin brother had died unexpectedly.

In the very last paragraph of Child F’s discharge letter was a line about his insulin level and the level of another hormone called C-peptide. In normal readings, the insulin level would be between 200 and 300. For Child F it was 4,657. The results also showed a very low C-peptide level. It was conclusive proof that he had been poisoned. Letby had laced his feeding bag with insulin a day after fatally injecting air into the bloodstream of his six-day-old twin brother. It was a miracle that Child F had survived.

“I just had this gut-wrenching moment: ‘What the fuck is this?!,’” said Brearey. “It was a smoking gun. You saw it there, in plain sight. If there was any iota of doubt [about her guilt], it was removed then.”

It was, said DCI Nicola Evans, a “real milestone” in the investigation. “We were shocked to the core,” she said.”