Lucy Letby found guilty.

It took someone I know ten years to sue a doctor for negligence. It only happened because she persevered; it wasn’t about the money. She just wanted to prove he had been lying.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12422323/Experts-baffled-drove-Lucy-Letby-Britains-prolific-modern-child-killer-killer-nurse-admitted-evil-confession-notes.html

Lucy Letby's handwritten confession leaves experts baffled over her motive for becoming Britain's most prolific baby murderer in modern history - but leading investigator claims it provides an explanation for her killing spree.

there are many notes found in her bedroom where she calls herself evil

I’d be looking at her family background and her childhood. I bet she was mistreated. Totally not an excuse of course, what she did was pure evil.

I believe you are quite wrong Nana8 in everything I ve read she had a very good childhood, an only much loved child, who had a completely ordinary loving home life, she was an average student at school and higher education Her parents helped her buy a house There is absolutely nothing to indicate any personal problems at all
She still has friends who cannot or will not believe she is guilty as she was seemingly a good and loving friend

I thought perhaps there had been an event that triggered things.
But apparently there wasnt that either.

Fantastic statement from Dr. Ravi Jayaram.

Kate1949

Theu were afraid for their jobs Jennifer. They were told if they didn't sign there would be 'consequences'.

I have been in a volunteer situation where several of us were asked by a higher up to sign a letter to apologise to someone.
Obviously different situation and gravity to this case.
Most of us refused to sign. One person did. And that was just in a volunteer position.
Even in that situation, the person who wanted the signed apology had been talking to a solicitor.
The "Manager" wanted things done and dusted so he could clear his intray and get on with the day to day running of the organisation. He wanted things swept under the carpet, and an easier life with the person he had to work with daily who had wanted the apology.

Very wrong to say 'I bet she was mistreated' nanna8 on the basis of no evidence whatsoever.

My feeling is that she was 33, no prospect of any loving relationship, working in a highly charged environment with couples trying to support each other and their precious babies, and this was a form of revenge, power, control, who knows what, to compensate for what she felt she lacked.
Also:
'Why did you do it?
'Because I could.'

He certainly is.

How many of those whistleblowers now wished they had ignored the rubbish coming from the Senior Management team and gone directly to the Police, that management team were appalling.

Every clinical NHS professional has to do yearly courses in Child protection, surely this fell into that category especially if you work with Children you need a higher level.

Regardless of their personal consequences they knew in their hearts they were right that this Woman was involved in those poor little babies deaths.
I doubt we will ever know the full details. So sad..

There was a good article in the Telegraph about the role of the Medical Director, the Director of Nursing and the Senior Nurse , explaining the actions taken by each of them during the investigation. I’d assume that after the internal investigation the Medical Director would have requested the letter be signed by the paediatricians.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/18/hospital-bosses-countess-chester-lucy-letby-baby-ward/
It took the police over a year of investigation, from May 2017 until July 2018 before they arrested Lucy Letby, which must indicate that there was little concrete evidence. It the took four years to go to court.

I think there is an argument for there to be cctv in units like this. In highly acute areas it would be one way of increasing supervision.
I think we would be horrified what it would show up.

Highly controversial I m sure people will shoot me down but I think all serial killers should have to leave their brains to science to see if there are any parts of the brain throwing up clues
Surely it can’t just be pure evil or ‘I will because I can’ it can’t be normal to want to harm tiny babies especially when in all other aspects she seemed to be perfectly normal loving and kind ordinary person as friends of hers have said
The parents must be going through hell bothers and the babies involved and all other parents that are having to leave their little ones in hospital

Last sentence should read both hers not ‘bothers’ Sorry think it was predictive text as it just did it again on this sentence

Casdon, I haven’t read the article as I’m late for something but will do so.
Your posts on this thread are welcome. It’s in some ways ‘easy’ to blame the managers, though like most others my reaction was one of anger that the concerns of experienced paediatricians were treated as they were. It took Over a year of police investigation before the arrest. Lucy Letby continued to insist on her innocence throughout such a long and complex trial. Her parents, sone friends and posters here believe she’s innocent.
We can only hope though, that when senior medical staff raise concerns alongside an unusual spike in baby deaths/serious health in babies - thst the police are called

nanna8

I’d be looking at her family background and her childhood. I bet she was mistreated. Totally not an excuse of course, what she did was pure evil.

you really should have read up whats been in print about that before posting!

she was very well treated as an only well loved child and meant everything to her parents.

Some people are angels and heroes, others like Lucy, evil. Nothing to do with their oar ends, everyone in prison has a mother, not all bad. She was a nurse, she knows the difference between right and wrong, at every death she was there, because she wanted to be. The people that reported her and were ignored must feel so frustrated to put it kindly, those that ignored the warning need investigating, lots of these deaths would have been prevented if notice had been taken. Those poor families my heart goes out to them. How do they carry on.
Lucy will have you've very careful in prison. This would shock the most hardened criminals.

Iam64

Casdon, I haven’t read the article as I’m late for something but will do so.
Your posts on this thread are welcome. It’s in some ways ‘easy’ to blame the managers, though like most others my reaction was one of anger that the concerns of experienced paediatricians were treated as they were. It took Over a year of police investigation before the arrest. Lucy Letby continued to insist on her innocence throughout such a long and complex trial. Her parents, sone friends and posters here believe she’s innocent.
We can only hope though, that when senior medical staff raise concerns alongside an unusual spike in baby deaths/serious health in babies - thst the police are called

I agree Iam64 that the big question mark over the actions of the senior managers who were involved is why the police weren’t asked to investigate sooner by them. It is exceptionally unusual for a group of doctors to raise concerns about potential foul play and for that not to happen, regardless of whether there is a named suspect or not, and I don’t buy ‘reputational damage’ as a reason not to.

I have no doubt Lucy Letby will have countless examinations by psychologists throughout the long years stretching ahead, and I have no doubt she will control them in the way she has controlled her interrogations and trial, culminating in her refusal to attend the Verdict and the Sentencing procedures.

I certainly think the hospital managers should be put on trial for gross negligence, wilful mismanagement in ignoring concerns of senior consultants and failure to protect babies in their care. Even if they only received suspended sentences, it would prevent them sliding into a similar well-paid role elsewhere when all the fuss has died down.

There will be reasons in her background and also her basic personality. But its over simplistic to say there are good and evil people.
We are all a mixture of complex influences.

fancythat

Fantastic statement from Dr. Ravi Jayaram.

Yes it was fancythat and sadly so true. The management team were too busy protecting themselves instead of doing their job.

I think there's obviously some kind of issue with control in her case - as a nurse, especially in the kind of environment she worked in, she held those babies' lives in her hands and could control whether they lived or died.
She's now controlling the narrative when it comes to appearing for the verdicts and sentencing. It's a very complex case, and one which people will no doubt be discussing for years to come.

have just found this though

The Letbys were a close-knit family and her parents were understandably proud when their daughter became the first in their wider family to go to university and move away from home.
But her trial heard that Mr Letby, now 77 and Mrs Letby, 63, came to “hate it” when she did not return home after her graduation and that made her feel “constantly guilty”.

Messaging a friend who had joked about emigrating to New Zealand, Letby said: “I couldn’t leave my parents. They would be completely devastated. Find it hard enough being away from me now and its only 100 miles.

“I came here to uni & didn’t go back. They hate it & I feel guilty for staying here sometimes but it’s what I want.”

Letby told another friend: “My parents worry massively about everything & anything, hate that I live alone etc.

“I feel bad because I know it’s really hard for them especially as I’m an only child, and they mean well, just a little suffocating at times and constantly feel guilty.”

How do you know she was well treated or perhaps you believe everything you read in the papers ? There is such a thing as psychological abuse. No one will know either way . I know from my working life that psychological abuse has very long standing effects and a seemingly ‘good’ and loving family may not be what it appears on the surface. I don’t know any more than the rest of you. Oh, and I haven’t read anything about the case we don’t get newspapers and it is not on our tv.

I find the discussion about good and evil and how disbelieving people are that LL could do what she did quite surprising.

As I write this somewhere in this country or elsewhere in the world there will be people torturing and abusing other men, women and children - and getting pleasure from it. There will be people sitting at screens watching this happen and enjoying it. In comparison with that what LL did was almost benign. The babies had a short period of pain and then it was over. They didn't live to have the torture repeated over days or weeks or years, or have people pay to gloat over their pain.

We accept that people can be born with physical disabilities, why should people not be born with disabilities of the mind, not physical disabilities, but ones that make them incapable of empathy, or emotion, or indifferent to other people?

The reason, since time began, that societies have evolved moral codes - think the Ten Commandments, is because it was recognised that there were certain types of behaviour and actions that were considered to be beyond acceptable bounds and that there were people who would have no compunction in committing them - and murder was one of them.

LL is just a run of the mill serial murderer. That she was blonde, female and a nurse, doesn't stop her being a murderer. Lots fd murderers were ostensibly kind loving people.