‘Grandad’s Pride’. Really?

Why oh why do they persist with the use of the word 'assigned'?

Sex... That is a word that has two meanings.. one is the sex you are assigned at birth...

Is it to cast doubt and give 'born in the wrong body' credence and who does the 'assigning', or does everyone get a vote? I've given birth to four children. If I'd had those children while completely alone in a forrest I'd have been able to correctly observe the sex of each them by a quick look at the genitalia between their legs. There is a tiny percentage of babies born who have indistinct genitalia, but DNA testing will correctly sex them, no need for coin tossing or the midwife saying I've allocated 3 boys this morning so my afternoon ones will be 'assigned' girls.

VioletSky

Sexuality is who you love, it has nothing to do with sex, the act

Eh?

Sexuality is the capacity for sexual feelings (dictionary definition) so has a heck of a lot to do with "the act".

Love can include that capacity - or be completely non-sexual, depending on who you love.

What makes you think that it has nothing to do with the 'act'? I cannot follow your reasoning.

That picture is crude and offensive, if that’s the sort of thing you think young children should be looking at I hope you’re not working with young children, I would bring mine out of the school What type of people are nurturing the minds of impressionable young children? I know a few posters on here, who say they don’t want to get personal, but they very much are if they think that’s ok.

Let's try this a different way

Let's take one example of a sexuality...

If a young person in your care comes you and says "I think I might be gay"... Do you:

A. Recoil on horror thinking they are telling you who they want to have sex with

B. Understand that they just opened up to you about who they are romantically and emotionally attracted too, and support them while they figure it out

I choose B

Bonus spoiler alert:

Many people figure out their sexuality long before they actually have sex

Doodledog

VioletSky

"Everyone should be treated with equality and respect, no matter who they are or what gender they are"

I stand by Pride

Can you please show even one post where the poster has suggested otherwise? You are very fond of putting words in other people's mouths - things that they never said and at times things that they have got back to you several times to deny.

As I said above, sexualising gay people is discriminatory when straight people are not sexualised. There is a lot more to being gay than stereotypical 'Village People' type outfits, and it is insulting to many gay people to suggest otherwise.

Presenting gay men as a one dimensional pastiche of Village People must be pretty galling for them I'm not surprised that many would find this book offensive.

I can't help thinking when much of this type of material, posing as suitable for children, is put under scrutiny it's unpalatable to many. I think parents are only too aware it is part of an agenda pushed along by the likes of Stonewall, to what ends, the "inclusiveness" is a misnomer, most people know that inclusiveness doesn't extend to anyone who opposes their stance, a fair part of the lesbian and gay community want to disassociate themselves from the direction they have taken, neither do I think people want to be lectured about sexual preferences or why we should celebrate them, we've all had a sex life but so what! it's part of the human condition!

Rosie51 Wed 23-Aug-23 16:56:17

Why oh why do they persist with the use of the word assigned'?

Everyone's at it now.

Is it to gradually but persistently force everyone to accept that your natal sex is a choice... one you can change at a later date if you want to?

Apart from rare exceptions, sex is observed at birth. Your inner identity later may not correspond with it, but that is entirely different.

It's the manipulation of language to make it fit the ideology, and I'm having none of it.

I think all on this thread will choose B, it's abhorrent that you try to imply otherwise.

Of course you don't have to have sex but your sexuality determines who you'd have sex with if the urge took you. A youngster who tells me they think they might be gay is saying that because their developing sexual urges, perfectly natural during puberty, are pulling them towards people of the same sex. It really is that simple.

What has any of that to do with a book for children showing stereotypes of gay adults in bondage gear?

Doodledog

What has any of that to do with a book for children showing stereotypes of gay adults in bondage gear?

Sorry - that was to VS.

I hate seeing long posts quoted by the one immediately below, but not doing so risks having your post looking as though it is addressing the wrong one.

Dickens
It's the manipulation of language to make it fit the ideology, and I'm having none of it.

Exactly! And they never, ever come back to tell you who exactly does the "assigning" and what criteria they apply to determine which sex to "assign".

I don't know why you felt the need to tell us what you'd choose VS when like Rosie I think we'd all choose B, I mean did you really think anyone wouldn't?

I'm interested to see your answer to Doodledog's question about the relevance of your post @ 17.08 to this discussion.

Let's try this a different way

Let’s not.
Let’s get back to the point about a book which (apparently in the US but not the U.K. version) is guilty of entirely inappropriate illustrations for young children.
Let’s stick to the recognised definitions of words and let’s stop twisting perfectly reasonable comments by people with a strong sense of responsibility to their grandchildren, to make the topic all about you.

And can I just point out that children in America are deserving of safeguarding too. I talk about quite a lot of things that go on in America that are harmful to children. It's fine to do that.

many people figure out their sexuality long before they have sex
No shit, Sherlock.

Because that is what I would choose

But why do we need to know? What does it have to do with this discussion?

This whole subject of gender should be treated in a matter of fact way, but it is being forced upon our children to the exclusion of normal education.
No wonder so many young people have problems with mental health. The modern world must be very confusing. The antidote is rational, sensible parents but there seem to be few of them about. Everyone is so afraid to speak out for fear of being labelled as narrow-minded.

It's a free discussion Smileless as you have told me yourself many times

VioletSky

Because that is what I would choose

And what has that choice (which I'm guessing would be made by everyone on this thread, in the entirely hypothetical situation you describe) to do with this book?

I was explaining to Bodach what sexuality means doodledog

MerylStreep

^many people figure out their sexuality long before they have sex^
No shit, Sherlock.

😂😂😂

Same names, same behaviour, different thread

VioletSky

Same names, same behaviour, different thread

Well yes, but those names include yours VS

VioletSky

At least I don't get personal though

It just damages your own arguments

Really?

Remind me - who was it who said they were leaving GN because of personal attacks from you?

Oh, wait a moment, there are a few.

That's actually not true

And it appears to be one of me and many of you so I am not sure how you think that is ok or proves anything bad about me

Anyway, I am going to teach my daughter to make Yorkshires

And possibly stick to threads with different people in future