‘Grandad’s Pride’. Really?

But we are seeing a picture emerging of what some think is appropriate to be taught to young children and that any other view is bigoted.

Do our neighbours belong to "a gay community"? I don't know but they belong to our community, the same clubs and societies. The way this book portrays gay people is a form of 'othering' them - they are not 'others', they are our neighbours, friends, family.

Sorry - exclusionary.

There are teachers, social workers, health professionals, etc, possibly retired but perhaps not, on Gransnet with a wealth of experience in the education, welfare and safeguarding of children.

But nobody on GN wants any part of positivity or inclusiveness in children's education. That's the problem, isn't it? We are all bigoted and exclusive.

Well said Doodledog

What ever gives you the idea that you are somehow entitled, experienced or qualified to pontificate on children’s education?

That puzzles me too, that a TA should have the power to make such decisions about the National Curriculum and what is and is not appropriate to be taught to pre-school children, Foxygloves

There are teachers, social workers, health professionals, etc, possibly retired but perhaps not, on Gransnet with a wealth of experience in the education, welfare and safeguarding of children.

My values definitely include positivity and inclusivity, in children's education as in other areas of life.

However, I do not see stereotyping gayness, or showing illustrations of men in bondage clothing to children as either positive or inclusive - I see the stereotyping as offensive and the bondage as unnecessary and inappropriate in a children's book.

Defending this sort of thing, along with drag queens reading to children, sex ed including anal sex and teaching children that there are numerous so-called 'genders' is not being 'woke' in the sense of caring for minorities - it is normalising things which should not be part of the lives of small children. How are they supposed to know if something is inappropriate when so much is presented to them as 'normal'?

Quite apart from that, parents have a right to bring up children in the way that they see fit, not to be over-ruled by people 'following guidance' from groups with an agenda. Yes, parents can withdraw children from some classes, but how can they be expected to police every book in the library, every story time visitor and every off the cuff comment? The idea that anyone objecting to this is not adhering to 'British values' is ridiculous. There are numerous British values, and all of them have very broad and subjective interpretations.

I'm sure I am not unusual in that I have zero problem with children learning about gay relationships, about sex and about accepting people with differing lifestyles, but I do object to their being shown dated stereotypes, told about specific sexual practices at a young age, and being told that their parents' views are not acceptable if they (the parents) are not happy to have their children introduced to concepts that they find concerning. There is nothing inclusive about that.

Iam64

I’m pleased this book has been removed from school libraries. The stereotypical ‘village people’ depiction of gay grandpa is offensive.
Like many families, we have gay and lesbian friends and relatives. I’m tired of your lectures Violet in which you patronise and give the impression the majority of other gransnetters know nothing of life

Hear hear, Iam64

It is really quite insulting.

Also want no part of positivity and inclusivity in childrens ‘s education

What ever gives you the idea that you are somehow entitled, experienced or qualified to pontificate on children’s education?
What a ridiculous assumption, nobody can say with any justification that somebody wants no part … etc etc
(Did you mean no part IN by the way? )
Your opinions become more outlandish by the minute.
Please stop trying to preach this tosh.

You really think we are the ones with a probkem VS? As said you live life your way, my values the opposite. Glad book withdrawn, should never have been in a school in the first place, thats the worrying bit. Just who decided it was ok needs removing, shouldn't be round children.

Who are you accusing of wanting no part in positivity and inclusivity in children’s education, please, and on what grounds?

You see, that is one hell of an accusation. When you say you don’t get personal and that you don’t attack people, you conveniently sidestep statements like this one, which can be deeply offensive. Not pointing a finger at one person in particular does not negate that - it just spreads the offensiveness around.

It is so strange to me that the people who declare "freedom of speech", get cross about woke and get cross about easily offended snowflakes...

Also want no part of positivity and inclusivity in childrens education

Iam64

I’m pleased this book has been removed from school libraries. The stereotypical ‘village people’ depiction of gay grandpa is offensive.
Like many families, we have gay and lesbian friends and relatives. I’m tired of your lectures Violet in which you patronise and give the impression the majority of other gransnetters know nothing of life

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Iam64 good post 21.15

Agree Iam64

I’m pleased this book has been removed from school libraries. The stereotypical ‘village people’ depiction of gay grandpa is offensive.
Like many families, we have gay and lesbian friends and relatives. I’m tired of your lectures Violet in which you patronise and give the impression the majority of other gransnetters know nothing of life

Ilovecheese

From BBC news:
Andy Train of Hull's LGBT+ forum labelled the depiction of the gay man as 'stereotypical '

Well exactly. They may as well have had them singing YMCA .

How many children like to think of their parents, never mind grandparents as sexual beings? It's one thing to know that Grandpa loves Gramps, or that they have, as someone I know calls them, 'Lesbiaunts', but quite another to see them depicted in bedroom clothes.

From BBC news:
Andy Train of Hull's LGBT+ forum labelled the depiction of the gay man as 'stereotypical '

Anyone who thinks that those illustrations are suitable for pre-school aged children needs to give their head a good wobble.

VioletSky

Because that is what I would choose

... that's most likely the choice we'd all make in your 'multiple choice' quiz.

As Rosie51 said at 12:57 ... it's abhorrent that you try to imply otherwise.

Your post is designed to indirectly and 'passively' accuse the posters on here of hostility towards the gay and transgender community by posing such a question.

I haven't read or seen the book that is being discussed, so won't comment on it - however I understand the principle of questioning whether it is appropriate to introduce children to an ideology, a movement, that might be specifically designed to indoctrinate them towards a particular way of thinking. And for me, that principle applies on any subject, topic or issue.

Violet, I think most of us know about sex and sexuality, we don’t need it explaining, men in bondage and the slogan trans rights is vulgar and not suitable for nursery aged children, that’s the point, as is love is love, really can anyone in their right minds think that’s about love, 2 ugly looking men in bond age, if that floats your boat, fine you’re over 21, you’re free to do as you wish, but not for young impressionable minds. Not for mine either, I can choose not to see it, the world does not revolve around Trans, regardless of the relentless pressure. What bothers me is the vulnerable children and more importantly are they working with children because they shouldn’t be?

VioletSky

Here is the actual book reading again including all pages and images

youtu.be/BZgWE-f4McA

If you scroll down from this there are links to #kidsbooks #reading #storytime #readingaloud and more.

Clicking on this takes you to a variety of videos, children's stuff mixed up with some disgusting things. I don't know if these stories are supposed to be for children but there are perverts posting there. It just shows that one thing leads to another on the internet and the Grandad book links to all this poison. There are people out there who want to corrupt our children. If anyone wants to disagree with this I will post a screenshot to prove it. Or take a look yourself.

VioletSky

I was explaining to Bodach what sexuality means doodledog

Enlightening her I assume?
What would we do without such illumination?

VioletSky

I was explaining to Bodach what sexuality means doodledog

Why do you think that she needs to have that explained? The beauty of a shared language is that everyone speaking it knows what the words mean.

That's actually not true

And it appears to be one of me and many of you so I am not sure how you think that is ok or proves anything bad about me

Anyway, I am going to teach my daughter to make Yorkshires

And possibly stick to threads with different people in future

VioletSky

At least I don't get personal though

It just damages your own arguments

Really?

Remind me - who was it who said they were leaving GN because of personal attacks from you?

Oh, wait a moment, there are a few.