Should the President of the Spanish FA resign

henetha

I noticed that too, Glorianny. Also, as she emerged from his embrace she was smiling broadly. Just saying.
I'm not condoning his behaviour though. He should have restrained himself. I found his crotch grab unpleasant too.

Well of course she was smiling broadly - her team had just won the world cup!

... doubt it was because he'd kissed her on the mouth.

Let's face it - the only way the the misogynists and those who make excuses for them would be happy is if she did what so many women do when having to suffer unwonted 'affection' by men,,, suck it up and stay quiet.

If you speak out - there will always be a barrage of the, "oh, for heaven's sake, it was only"... euphoria / fun / an affectionate gesture / whatever. Then the 'poor man' will become the victim because he had to resign, and he didn't mean any harm... you can't say or do anything these days without the feminazis taking offence. It's all so predictable.

We raise our daughters and they raise their daughters to believe that they have the right not to be touched intimately - and a mouth-kiss is intimate - without consent, by anyone, and then blow me, it happens on the world-stage and so many are bending over backwards to find the "yes, but... angle.

One thing I must smack myself round the head for is that I didn't watch the video - instead I accepted the reports, on here, of the 'pat on the bottom' which will teach me in future to examine the evidence myself. But the head-clasp was real. At least the man had the sense not to do that.

Iam64

He’s now claiming he asked for a quick peck and she agreed. I’ve seen a brief video of him repeating he won’t resign. The men in the audience applauding enthusiastically. The few women not.

I've had another look t this and he definitely says something to her before he pulls her forward to kiss her
What it is I can't tell.
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Why are you looking for excuses for this man Glorianna it was unnecessary and all it needed was a humble (a lot of men don’t do humble) apology “ I am really sorry, in the heat of the moment and excitement I went a step too far” that was ALL that’s was needed but his over inflated ego and his self importance wouldn’t let him do that
As for the crotch clutching…. yuk

My friend who is 87 told me that once when she was a young teen an elderly uncle of hers at a family do grabbed her pulled her into a kiss and stuck his tongue in her mouth. She bit it. I doubt I d have been that quick thinking or dare to do it she said he never bothered her again 😂

BlueBelle

Why are you looking for excuses for this man Glorianna it was unnecessary and all it needed was a humble (a lot of men don’t do humble) apology “ I am really sorry, in the heat of the moment and excitement I went a step too far” that was ALL that’s was needed but his over inflated ego and his self importance wouldn’t let him do that
As for the crotch clutching…. yuk

My friend who is 87 told me that once when she was a young teen an elderly uncle of hers at a family do grabbed her pulled her into a kiss and stuck his tongue in her mouth. She bit it. I doubt I d have been that quick thinking or dare to do it she said he never bothered her again 😂

It's not an excuse. It is a fact. As I said I have no idea what he said. I know what he claims he said and I know there are many posts on this thread saying he hadn't time to say anything, but he plainly did.
I don't like accusations which ignore or dismiss the truth and I don't care if it's a man or a woman involved.
I agree he could have apologised.
But it seems obvious that he is going to claim he asked permission. Perhaps a good lip reader will explain his words.

She had both arms free but no attempt to push him away

Perhaps he said, as he should have done, “Congratulations”. That is not the same as “Stand still while I kiss you while holding your head”.

Oh Annie come on you re in the middle of the euphoria of winning a huge game there are thousands and thousands of people watching hes a very forceful man (there has been trouble with him in the past) and you expect her to say ‘stop it boss I don’t want you to kiss me’ pleeeeze
Get real

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Most unusual for almost an entire staff to resign. This all suggests people are believing their eyes and the player.

And meanwhile one man’s sense of entitlement over-rides an amazing female achievement!

BlueBell the win had no effect on the man ?

Anniebach Why are you defending the creep?

Sparklefizz I am not defending the man but I do not believe his actions were for a sexual thrill

Anniebach

Sparklefizz I am not defending the man but I do not believe his actions were for a sexual thrill

We can never know that, but he clearly invaded her personal space, more than with just a congratulatory hug.

Anniebach He was controlling and gave her no choice.

Anniebach

She had both arms free but no attempt to push him away

These sort of excuses for men are just so depressing.

Yes, Ilovecheese, so depressing.

He did it because he knew he could get away with it and she wouldn't want to make a fuss while the cameras of the world were upon them. There are many men like that. It's all about control.

Anniebach You may have been lucky enough not to come across men like this. Unfortunately I have.

His sense of entitlement and sheer arrogance have spoilt the team's triumph. Shame on him.

And look at the hug he gave her.... it went on and on and he practically lifted her off her feet. She's standing on tiptoe.

Rosie51

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Most unusual for almost an entire staff to resign. This all suggests people are believing their eyes and the player.

I doubt they would resign over the one incident. On I player there are descriptions of his history - previous complaints and bullying allegations

Wyllow3

Rosie51

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Most unusual for almost an entire staff to resign. This all suggests people are believing their eyes and the player.

I doubt they would resign over the one incident. On I player there are descriptions of his history - previous complaints and bullying allegations

Yes I agree. I posted too soon and didn't bother with a second post, but thought it suggested this was the final straw.

Anniebach

She had both arms free but no attempt to push him away

I admired her for that. She put herself in a good light and she didn’t have to show him up as he managed that all by himself.

I am not defending the man but I do not believe his actions were for a sexual thrill
I m afraid you are defending him Anniebach and his overt control and sexual superiority
And why the crotch pulling / touching / grabbing just prior
that’s not sexual either I guess !!!

Hmmmm….

It's been reported that Rubiales insists she agreed to a "little peck", and she agreed.

If that is true, then hardly surprising she agreed... pecks on the cheek and brief hugs are commonplace in sport between men and men, women and women, and both on each other.

Anniebach

She had both arms free but no attempt to push him away

A question Annieback - in her position, with millions of people watching - would you have pushed him away - turning the moments of triumph into a confrontation knowing that the eyes of the world were on you? Be honest here.

And, if she had done that - how do you think it would've played out?

My bet is the same individuals who are now defending him would've turned on her for spoiling the moment and 'over-reacting'. That's the view of my OH with whom I had an interesting discussion on this subject. He told me he really dislikes it when some of our female acquaintances - innocently enough he acknowledges - grab his shoulders briefly for the 'mwaw, mwaw' peck on the cheek. I didn't even know this because he's never mentioned it so I asked him why he recoiled. He couldn't really explain it but said he didn't like people he didn't know very well being over-familiar because it made him feel "uncomfortable". As he's disabled, he can't manoeuvre himself out of the way easily, and he feels trapped.

If a laid-back, liberal-minded male Swede can 'get it'...

Women simply cannot win, can they? They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

The answer is so simple, men shouldn't touch women intimately unless specifically invited. Putting your mouth on someone else's mouth is intimate.

And Rubiales should consult a dictionary to understand the meaning of "peck" if that is indeed what he said.

I don’t understand how anyone, especially a woman, can defend this man. He grabbed his crotch - that’s overtly sexual behaviour. He then forced a lip kiss on a player. Her arms remained by her side- that isn’t the action of a woman enjoying a mutual kiss as he suggests. It’s the kind of frozen behaviour seen in women shocked by inappropriate unwelcome behaviour.
I bet he wouldn’t have done the same to a male player

Women have worked so hard since 1972, when the were once more ‘allowed’ to play the beautiful game. The World Cup, like the euros was so enjoyable for those of us who enjoy football. The actions of this dreadful man and those who support him are distracting from the Spanish women’s team and their achievements

If someone had done that to me unexpectedly,instinctively I would have pushed him away,also my facial expression would not be a smiling one! Can't help but feel that there is more to this that immediately meets the eye, but maybe not. It's a pity because it's taken the shine away from Spanish win.