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Shapes as Defence Secretary …really?

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CvD66 Fri 01-Sep-23 15:17:42

Grant Schapps, or is that Michael Green (one of other aliases he is known to have used) has been appointed to Defence Secretary with no military skills, knowledge or experience. This is his 5th role in 12 months. This is the man ridiculed for his ‘get rich quick’ schemes, who resigned after allegations of bullying while at DIFD and lied about having a second job. At a time when Ben Wallace, his predecessor, warned, against the backdrop of the Ukraine/Russia war, ‘the world will become more insecure and unstable’ Shapps is the best The PM could find. Even members of the Military are viewing this appointment as an insult.

Grantanow Fri 01-Sep-23 15:38:56

You might think that with a majority of 80 the Tories could find someone to run Defence other than a re-tread. Of course, the Buffoon got rid of some very intelligent Tory MPs with bags of Ministerial experience. Perhaps running out of talent?

MaizieD Fri 01-Sep-23 15:46:14

It doesn't fill me with any confidence, either.

Let's hope that his civil servants are able to do the actual business and he is just a figurehead.

Casdon Fri 01-Sep-23 15:46:55

I did rate Ben Wallace, he was the best of the cabinet in my opinion - loads of experience, sensible and not a game player. I think he is a difficult act to follow, but surely there were better candidates for the role than Schapps.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 01-Sep-23 15:50:32

😄😄😄😄 was my reaction.

“You can’t be serious” Sunak!!

Oreo Fri 01-Sep-23 15:54:30

Casdon

I did rate Ben Wallace, he was the best of the cabinet in my opinion - loads of experience, sensible and not a game player. I think he is a difficult act to follow, but surely there were better candidates for the role than Schapps.

I agree.
Defence Sec doesn’t always come with military training or position tho OP.
Grant Shapps doesn’t fill anyone with confidence.

pascal30 Fri 01-Sep-23 16:11:32

He can turn his hand to anything.. apparently

Oreo Fri 01-Sep-23 16:22:32

So many names too!😂
Shapes, Schapps and Shapps.Any others?

pascal30 Fri 01-Sep-23 16:42:39

Oreo

So many names too!😂
Shapes, Schapps and Shapps.Any others?

shape shifter maybe..

Foxygloves Fri 01-Sep-23 16:52:27

Shapps aka Michael Green.
inews.co.uk/news/who-grant-shapps-michael-green-alias-uk-defense-secretary-2584069

Joseann Fri 01-Sep-23 16:55:39

Uanews reports that their own Minister of Defense of Ukraine Oleksiy Reznikov congratulated Grant Schnapps on his appointment as Minister of Defense of Great Britain!
Budmo! 👏

Urmstongran Fri 01-Sep-23 17:12:23

I had hoped Tom Tugendhat might have been given the post. Shapps is a shirt button.

Kim19 Fri 01-Sep-23 17:17:35

Jack of all trades springs to mind.

Urmstongran Fri 01-Sep-23 17:18:51

‘Smart’ motorways spring to my mind. Buffoon.
No gravitas at all.

Oldbat1 Fri 01-Sep-23 18:03:16

He has had at least 3 other names. He is a spiv. Scraping the barrel surely.

Casdon Fri 01-Sep-23 18:06:05

Schnapps is quite a good name for him.

DiamondLily Sat 02-Sep-23 07:50:02

It seems Sunak,went for the two people, who were promoted, who aren't considered much use, but do spend a lot of time trawling around the media, telling us all how wonderful Sunak and the Tories are now.🙄

I know there's a dearth of talent in the Tory government now, but there must have been someone better than Schapps/Green/whoever he is today.

Foxygloves Sat 02-Sep-23 07:58:58

I was going to comment that the Tories were running out of talent, but that presupposes there ever was any talent and I fear that since the days of some of those now consigned to the back benches or even further away, talent has been in short supply.

Katie59 Sat 02-Sep-23 09:27:29

Having a minister that knows the subject is a real handicap for a government because imposing change is much harder, Wallace knew the capabilities and limitations of the UK military, inside out.
Schapps will a yes man for sure, ideal!

Hetty58 Sat 02-Sep-23 09:39:49

It doesn't really matter - as he won't be doing anything important, after all. The Civil Service will run things, as usual. I really don't think 'talent' and 'Tories' belong in the same sentence.

Katie59 Sat 02-Sep-23 11:43:52

Hetty58

It doesn't really matter - as he won't be doing anything important, after all. The Civil Service will run things, as usual. I really don't think 'talent' and 'Tories' belong in the same sentence.

LOL

Callistemon21 Sat 02-Sep-23 11:53:00

Hetty58

It doesn't really matter - as he won't be doing anything important, after all. The Civil Service will run things, as usual. I really don't think 'talent' and 'Tories' belong in the same sentence.

I think the Head of the Armed Forces is the best one to advise a Defence Secretary who may not know anything about defence.

Witzend Sat 02-Sep-23 11:57:53

Ghastly spiv. IMO of course.

Callistemon21 Sat 02-Sep-23 12:01:43

Witzend

Ghastly spiv. IMO of course.

KC will put him right grin

Or the Chief of the Defence Staff will sort him out.

varian Sat 02-Sep-23 17:50:53

This is his fifth job in a year,

He was obviously so useless in all of the other four that he had to be moved on..

Do we really need a conman with absolutely no military knowledge or experience as Minister for Defense?