Voter ID led to racial and disability discrimination

I said on the last thread about this that I have no objection to voter ID. It’s the way of the world now to provide ID for almost everything. Voting is no different. In a few years time all this fuss will be forgotten and it will just be accepted that you provide ID to vote, just as you do to drive, go abroad, or whatever.

Exactly maddyone

What a fuss about nothing. Those are the rules. There are choices. Get on with it !

MaizieD

I'm afraid that personal views of what one would do contribute nothing to the debate. Every individual has the right to choose to vote in whatever way they would like to. It's not up for criticism.

And those operating the voting stations have a right to prevent people voting if they are not the individuals named in the list of electors - or if the operators are not able to compare their actual faces with the "official" faces of the electors.

This is not so that they can turn away people of the "wrong" race, sex, ability, height, weight, choice of clothing, or frequency of bathing. It is to stop anybody using someone else's vote. There would be an outcry if it were discovered that a squadron of agitators/infiltrators from a terrorist organisation, a political party with dubious ethics, or a foreign country aiming to destabilise our institutions, were to get hold of the identities of people in mental hospitals, clinics, even mortuaries, and use them to influence an election.

As someone has said, , those who forgot to bring their id, or who didn't resemble them enough to be recognised, will have learnt by the next important election that they need id to vote - and why it is necessary.

Get a postal vote! It is free, it lasts until you choose that you don't need it, and it doesn't even need a stamp! No need to go out in the wet at the last minute to exercise the privilege of participating in choosing your representatives, after waiting indoors all day in the hope that the rain will pause long enough for you to get there and back without being soaked.

I am constantly amazed at how much unquestioning acceptance there is of unnecessary 'rules' and how willing people are to tell other people what they should or shouldn't do.

Not to mention complete unconcern at erosion of rights 🙄

and why it is necessary.

Why is it necessary, Elegran?

(Please don't tell me it's because it's the law. I know that.)

No apology from me for asking a question, either... I think they're still allowed on this forum.

Postal voting is the answer for anyone immunosuppressed, but I suppose if someone became immunosuppressed after the last application date for postal voting, ( leaving only in person voting available) the other answer might have been ( if sufficient staff) to check the ladies identity outside in the open air away from a doorway, where it is less unsafe to remove a protective mask- perhaps with a small supply of suitable masks available for staff? I’m sure there must be ways around that particular issue.

I can't see a problem with voter ID infact I agree with it.

I think UK is just joining the gang:

www.dailysignal.com/2021/06/01/in-europe-voter-id-is-the-norm/

When the above was published (summer 2021), and presuming it is correct, UK was an outlier with regard to voter ID requirements in Europe. It seems to be suggesting that voter ID has been proven to solve voting irregularities elsewhere so why not use it here before any major problems arise.

biglouis

I dont drive so Ive just paid best part of £100 for a new passport purely for ID purposes as I dont intend to travel abroad again.

ID cards are the answer!

All governments the world over realised how far they could push people when covid came along.
Me cynical, nooo!!!!!

UK joined the gang re Covid too. Yay for Sweden, I say.

biglouis

I dont drive so Ive just paid best part of £100 for a new passport purely for ID purposes as I dont intend to travel abroad again.

I haven't been able to travel abroad for years (health), but that doesn't stop me renewing my passport.

I don't drive, so it's ideal for everything. 🙂

DiamondLily

biglouis

I dont drive so Ive just paid best part of £100 for a new passport purely for ID purposes as I dont intend to travel abroad again.

I haven't been able to travel abroad for years (health), but that doesn't stop me renewing my passport.

I don't drive, so it's ideal for everything. 🙂

Councils are required to issue free of charge voter identity cards.

GrannyGravy13

DiamondLily

biglouis

I dont drive so Ive just paid best part of £100 for a new passport purely for ID purposes as I dont intend to travel abroad again.

I haven't been able to travel abroad for years (health), but that doesn't stop me renewing my passport.

I don't drive, so it's ideal for everything. 🙂

Councils are required to issue free of charge voter identity cards.

Yes, they are. Which is why I don't understand the fuss.

But, to sort out our bank, when my DH died, I needed ID - a passport or a full driving license.

We need ID for all sorts of reasons

MaizieD

^and why it is necessary.^

Why is it necessary, Elegran?

(Please don't tell me it's because it's the law. I know that.)

No apology from me for asking a question, either... I think they're still allowed on this forum.

In a democracy where one person has one vote, some people cheat and have as many votes as they can fraudulently steal. that is why it is necessary to check off that each voter is actually the person that they say they are.

Do you really believe that it doesn't matter if the electoral results are perverted by their actions? Would you care if it happened at Parliamentary level, if laws were passed by MPs stealing the votes of absent colleagues because they wanted to see a particular bit of legislation to go through (perhaps because they had been promised a "little gift" if they helped it on its way)

We thought we could trust our elected representatives to do what was right for the country, but our eyes have been opened. We would like to think that when the country goes to the polls to record their votes, we get a true picture of what each person wants. If corruption and self-seeking are there at the highest level, they can creep in at any level.

I think democracy is improved if voters prove who they are, and that they have the right to vote.🙂

Elegran

MaizieD

and why it is necessary.

Why is it necessary, Elegran?

(Please don't tell me it's because it's the law. I know that.)

No apology from me for asking a question, either... I think they're still allowed on this forum.

In a democracy where one person has one vote, some people cheat and have as many votes as they can fraudulently steal. that is why it is necessary to check off that each voter is actually the person that they say they are.

Do you really believe that it doesn't matter if the electoral results are perverted by their actions? Would you care if it happened at Parliamentary level, if laws were passed by MPs stealing the votes of absent colleagues because they wanted to see a particular bit of legislation to go through (perhaps because they had been promised a "little gift" if they helped it on its way)

We thought we could trust our elected representatives to do what was right for the country, but our eyes have been opened. We would like to think that when the country goes to the polls to record their votes, we get a true picture of what each person wants. If corruption and self-seeking are there at the highest level, they can creep in at any level.

Very eloquent, Elegran.

Now can you explain why, out of the millions of votes cast at any UK election there is an average of 2 prosecutions (or police cautions) for voter fraud per year?

Do you use a sledgehammer to crack a peanut?

14,000 voters were known to be disenfranchised by this law in May's local elections. Despite all the Gnet authoritarians saying that people ought to have known, people didn't and they list their right to vote in that election.

I don't give a monkeys what other countries do. The UK doesn't have a history of serious voter fraud. This is an unnecessary law.

I needed ID in order to register my mother’s death last year. I used my passport.
My mother needed ID to register my father’s death, seven years ago. She used her Blue Badge (to show disability when we parked.)
How does anyone ever register a death without ID?
It’s all a big fuss over nothing. Nobody is disenfranchised because they can get free photo ID from their local council.
There are far more important things to worry about.

Many people couldn’t be bothered to get off their bottoms and vote in the most important election in the last century, the Brexit election. They didn’t need ID to vote, the law hadn’t changed then. They simply couldn’t be bothered! There will always be people who can’t be bothered to vote. Fair enough then, if it’s not important to them, so be it. Voter ID won’t change their behaviour!

maddyone
There will always be people who can’t be bothered to vote. Fair enough then, if it’s not important to them, so be it. Voter ID won’t change their behaviour!

No but it has, and will, give them an excuse for not voting.

Mollygo

maddyone
There will always be people who can’t be bothered to vote. Fair enough then, if it’s not important to them, so be it. Voter ID won’t change their behaviour!

No but it has, and will, give them an excuse for not voting.

It is just an excuse not a reason they obviously can't be that fussed about voting in the first place.

Well I suppose the answer to that is to make it obligatory to vote. However I don’t agree with that, but I guess it would solve the problem.
I’m really not going to worry myself about this none problem. People will vote if they want to and they won’t vote if they don’t want to. If they want to vote they’ll avail themselves of the facility provided by the council to get free voter ID if they need it (which would then be useful if needed for anything else such as registering a death.) Problem solved.

Sparklefizz

How would you prevent voter fraud which we know has happened in the past?

There is very little voter fraud at polling stations. If you have heard of an incidence of voter fraud it is much more likely to be related to postal voting.