Voter ID led to racial and disability discrimination

Of course it was an attempt at gerrymandering, at least Rees Mogg had the honesty to admit it. Of course it's easy for posters on here to show the necessary ID or obtain it, of course many of us have postal votes but and for me this is the important thing, we are not typical of those people who are likely to be discriminated against. Many states in the US brought in additional requirements for voting prior to the election in 2020, they were all governed by Republicans. Bottom line is the poorer you are the less likely you are to have easy access to the required ID and if you are old, ill and poor, then it's even less likely, if you are young and poor you are less likely to have a driving licence at 18, have a permanent address or have a passport. If you then add in belonging to a non white community and there is yet another potential hurdle.

Bottom line is the poorer you are the less likely you are to have easy access to the required ID and if you are old, ill and poor, then it's even less likely, if you are young and poor you are less likely to have a driving licence at 18, have a permanent address or have a passport

ID cards.

Callistemon21

^Bottom line is the poorer you are the less likely you are to have easy access to the required ID and if you are old, ill and poor, then it's even less likely, if you are young and poor you are less likely to have a driving licence at 18, have a permanent address or have a passport^

ID cards.

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Whitewavemark2

Yes ID at birth. Everyone should be issued with an ID.

As it stands whether or not the requirement to have ID of some sort was an attempt at voter suppression, it will always be open to this interpretation until everyone is issued with an ID.

A big, fat yes to this.

Whitewavemark2

Yes ID at birth. Everyone should be issued with an ID.

As it stands whether or not the requirement to have ID of some sort was an attempt at voter suppression, it will always be open to this interpretation until everyone is issued with an ID.

Weren’t we all issued with ID cards during and just after the war including children at birth?

Yes I have some relatives’ but after the war they were no longer considered necessary.

TBH I really see no need for them, but given the stupid Tories are intent on gerrymandering, the least the rest of us can do is insist that they issue IDs to everyone.

Callistemon21

^Bottom line is the poorer you are the less likely you are to have easy access to the required ID and if you are old, ill and poor, then it's even less likely, if you are young and poor you are less likely to have a driving licence at 18, have a permanent address or have a passport^

ID cards.

Yes.
Whitewavemark2
Yes ID at birth. Everyone should be issued with an ID.
Yes, even better.

Whitewavemark2

Yes I have some relatives’ but after the war they were no longer considered necessary.

TBH I really see no need for them, but given the stupid Tories are intent on gerrymandering, the least the rest of us can do is insist that they issue IDs to everyone.

Yes
Equality for all.

As someone disabled, I don't really "get" the disability problem.

We always voted, despite disability, and provided ID (we were a pilot area), but when Covid arrived, we were offered postal votes.

All easy to prove, no problems, and no issues.

I, seriously, do not understand that arguments. Voter ID works in most forward looking countries - because it's sensible.

There are bigger issues to worry about, in my view. 🙂

I know someone (middle aged, white, female) who was unable to vote at our local elections as she doesn’t have a passport or photo driving licence.

25Avalon

I know someone (middle aged, white, female) who was unable to vote at our local elections as she doesn’t have a passport or photo driving licence.

As it was publicised in the press, on TV, on radio and even on the polling card that if you didn’t have approved photographic ID then you could apply to your local council for a free voter ID certificate I find this extremely surprising.

GrannyGravy13

25Avalon

I know someone (middle aged, white, female) who was unable to vote at our local elections as she doesn’t have a passport or photo driving licence.

As it was publicised in the press, on TV, on radio and even on the polling card that if you didn’t have approved photographic ID then you could apply to your local council for a free voter ID certificate I find this extremely surprising.

Yes there is always an excuse for not doing something. Always someone else's fault.

Maisie, this is what you do, you don’t give reasons or answers to questions, so you throw the racist card in, you and only you mentioned the Burkha as an example of discrimination not me or anyone else, so were you being racist?, I just replied to you. You haven’t a credible answer so is that why you derailed it?

GrannyGravy13

25Avalon

I know someone (middle aged, white, female) who was unable to vote at our local elections as she doesn’t have a passport or photo driving licence.

As it was publicised in the press, on TV, on radio and even on the polling card that if you didn’t have approved photographic ID then you could apply to your local council for a free voter ID certificate I find this extremely surprising.

I was just trying to point out that it wasn’t just black people who didn’t get to vote. The current system is flawed. I didn’t see it publicised anywhere and didn’t know you could apply for a free voter ID certificate. Next time I meet this person I will ask her why she didn’t. Maybe it was too much faff or she wasn’t interested or a mix of both idk.

The wearing of a burka doesn't define race

Or rather, a particular race isn't defined by the wearing of a burka

No, the wearing of a burka is cultural. It’s not even a religious requirement for Muslim women, just as a Muslim woman herself told me.

maddyone

No, the wearing of a burka is cultural. It’s not even a religious requirement for Muslim women, just as a Muslim woman herself told me.

And in that case, no problem about removing it, unless it’s a male rule.

Molly I believe it depends on interpretation.
Some Muslim women think it is a requirement.

I think that in the Koran all it says is that women (AND MEN) should dress modestly.

Yes Elegran it apparently says modestly.
Modestly does not require a burka.
It also says in the Bible that people should dress modestly.
Does that mean Christian women should wear a burka?
No, because a burka is cultural, not religious.

NotSpaghetti

Molly I believe it depends on interpretation.
Some Muslim women think it is a requirement.

At least it is (or should be) an option in this country.

Not like some countries where women are protesting, have been arrested and lost their lives for wanting the freedom to refuse to wear one.

NotSpaghetti

^Molly I believe it depends on interpretation.
Some Muslim women think it is a requirement.^

But who turns a requirement into a compulsion not to show your face for security purposes?

biglouis

I dont drive so Ive just paid best part of £100 for a new passport purely for ID purposes as I dont intend to travel abroad again.

Oh dear, you could have got a free voter id , advertised on tv and internet etc. frequently.

In the list of permissible evidence of voter identity published on our local authority web site are all kinds of photo travel passes and proof of age cards (presumably for those just past 18) and, a "National identity card issued by an EEA state".