The “yes” vote in Australia

Freya5

First Europeans, 1788, nearly 500 years ago, well before our time. We had no say in who invaded our country either.

Well yes, our recent forebears. Some in family went to Victoria/Melbourne to plant vineyards in the early 19th. This is all very documented- very close history.

The early invasions to the UK, taking over from the Celts- were much much earlier.

Let's transfer out thought to the USA - should the native Indians be represented in Government? Should they be 'grateful' for the invasions, destructions, and wonderful culture that has been imposed on them? Should they make more efforts to 'integrate' into that new society?

Or on the other hand, should everyone in the world live like they did 200/300 years ago?
No transport, little medical care, no electricity, no water plants and clean water, no sewage treatment plants, and everyone stay exactly where they born. (No decamping to Europe for a better life then!!!)
Like the sound of that!
Ridiculous arguments being put forward. Change and development happens. Perhaps you’d all like indigenous peoples to live like a few people still do in the Amazon, without any modern developments.
Sorry, you can’t turn back time, although I think Cher sang about doing so in one of her songs.

Fleurpepper in Australia everyone has a vote and the chance of representation in Parliament. There are local groups with representatives who already advise.
Well-educated, intelligent people from Aboriginal communities who know what is needed for the whole of Austrlian society but one poster suggested that this meant they had been subjected to a Westernised upbringing!!
That is patronising in the extreme.

I'm not arguing that there is a long way to go, progress is slow and the situation in Australia was shocking with children being removed from families until the 70s but is this the right way?

The problem is that, if the answer is No, what then and will this cause more division?
That would be counter-productive.

If Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island peoples all agreed on the referendum it might be a start, but they don't.

There are more questions than there are answers.

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Fleurpepper

Let's transfer out thought to the USA - should the native Indians be represented in Government? Should they be 'grateful' for the invasions, destructions, and wonderful culture that has been imposed on them? Should they make more efforts to 'integrate' into that new society?

No, don't lets.
That muddies the waters and Australia is not America, thank goodness.

Perhaps you’d all like indigenous peoples to live like a few people still do in the Amazon, without any modern developments

Some still live in the traditional ways but all children will go to school although home education is popular amongst every community.

I've seen arguments for and against on FB

The British are always castigated on GN for colonisation by previous generations. Many countries also have a history of Empire as is evidenced by place names around the world.

Interestingly - what is the most widely spoken language in the Southern Hemisphere?

Callistemon21

Fleurpepper

Let's transfer out thought to the USA - should the native Indians be represented in Government? Should they be 'grateful' for the invasions, destructions, and wonderful culture that has been imposed on them? Should they make more efforts to 'integrate' into that new society?

No, don't lets.
That muddies the waters and Australia is not America, thank goodness.

Same story, basically.

Of course there are other countries that did colonise other parts of the world. What difference does it make?

The British Empire were true champions however.

Same story, basically
Not really.
The history books tell a different account, but of course they could be wrong.

History books so often are- for all the wrong reasons.

I expect you know far more about Australia than me, so I will leave you to it.

All I was wondering was - what are the plans in the event of a No vote?

Or, as they say in Australia, YeahNah.

The results are in a 2-1 verdict of no

It was Country wide all 6 states voted no.

Referendums are badly flawed as decision making tools and a way for elected politicians to shirk their responsibilities to legislate and govern. Brexit is an obvious example.

It was Country wide all 6 states voted no

Every State and Territory except ACT which voted yes.

Callistemon21

^It was Country wide all 6 states voted no^

Every State and Territory except ACT which voted yes.

I always forget that Canberra is Austria Capital Territory, sorry

It is to be regretted

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon21

It was Country wide all 6 states voted no

Every State and Territory except ACT which voted yes.

I always forget that Canberra is Austria Capital Territory, sorry

Don't apologise! 😃

A vote for commonsense and also because the PM didn’t explain anything to anyone. The Aboriginal people I know all voted No because there was no help for them and only a support for the loud mouthed people in Canberra who do not and never have truly represented them.

I was just wondering why the no vote was so resounding. Can you fill us in a bit more please nanna8?

The Yes campaign people were asked over and over again just what would happen after voting yes. There was never any answer and people started to get frightened that a huge land tax would be put on everyone . We are all struggling just now, as is everyone else throughout the world. It was also felt the Yes vote divided the country too much into indigenous people and the rest. The indigenous people , most of them, just want the same opportunities and assistance that everyone else gets. They didn’t want to fight with everyone or be singled out as’different’ . If all that vast amount of money spent on the referendum had been spent on medical services, sporting facilities, educational assistance for disadvantaged first nations people we would all have been happy but instead it became political and just deceitful.

Thanks nanna and others. I was wondering what it was all about.

maddyone

I was just wondering why the no vote was so resounding. Can you fill us in a bit more please nanna8?

I know that DD went to chat to her neighbour, who is Aboriginal, to ask her opinion whilst she was pondering which way to vote; they have several homes on their property and the neighbour said they were all voting No because they thought it was divisive.
There was also the threat of land taxes, yes. City people may not have been aware of this but in rural communities it was a real possibility. That would also make the price of food extortionate for all.

Thank you nanna and Callistemon. That all makes sense now. I couldn’t understand it before.

maddyone

Thank you nanna and Callistemon. That all makes sense now. I couldn’t understand it before.

It's a lot more complicated than my post would suggest.
Many communities and leaders are very divided.

But the fact remains that every Australian citizen age 18 and over has a vote and voting is in fact compulsory.
(Unless you are in prison serving a sentence of more than three years.)