Braverman in the USA

There were 415 people who claimed asylum in the U.K. in year ending 2022, on the basis or sexual orientation.

How many I wonder were pretence?

Even if it was the whole lot, that hardly constitutes a tsunami as Braverman would have you believe.

Dog whistle politics at its most harmful and unpleasant.

I don’t know Glorianny it must be a really difficult job, but men or women claiming to be persecuted for being gay would have to have some evidence or at least be able to prove which country they are really from.

MaizieD

Do keep boring on, Siope. It might just penetrate one day

Thanks Maizie, although I think you’re overly optimistic!

I'm just wondering how Braverman intends to identify genuine gay people, from those "pretending".

I can't believe that she thinks we should only offer shelter to people who have been tortured. Presumably she'll want to see actual proof of the torture as well.
How on earth have we finished up with a woman like thiis speaking for the UK?

As for the cost, more efficient processing and allowing people to work whilst their application is processed would considerably reduce those. Many employers have said they would welcome asylum seekers as employees.

It is so easy for people to claim they are gay to get here. Same as it’s easy to claim they are from a war torn country. There was a couple here a few years ago who claimed they were fleeing war in the Congo but it was discovered they had been living happily in Germany for 11 years.

It’s also easy for the men/children to pretend they are under 16 so they can be put into care, get educated, medical care etc. just as it’s easy to claim you are a completely different person from another country because you have thrown away your paperwork.

They know all the loopholes!

Whitewavemark2 where is your comment from? Is it your own?
What does it have to with anything on this thread?
Some people also pretend to be economists when all they’ve probably done is to read a few articles.

How in earth did she manage to be Attorney General?
I dont think she excelled in that position.

Whitewavemark2

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“Many people pretend to be gay says Suella Braverman with no evidence or facts to back up her claim.

Some people also pretend to be top lawyers when they have only ever done property conveyance and minor claims court.

We have evidence for that.”

ronib That is why many councils set up volunteer groups to teach women at their homes the English that they would need without their having to go out to somewhere else. We helped with vocabulary for shopping, going to the doctor and dentist (for herself or her children), talking to teachers about their children, friendly greetings to neighbours, shopkeepers and other people. I even coached the wife of an Iranian diplomat on the words she needed to understand when she was in labour – and I did the actions for pain relief, pant, push, etc. Her husband spoke excellent English and I was one of the first people he telephoned to tell me that she had delivered a healthy son and how grateful he was for my help. However, I think the most rewarding lesson was with a quite large Indian family in quite a small flat. I took a pack of Happy Families' cards with me so that my pupil could work on the names, such as baker, grocer, doctor and son and also get to grips with "have you got…?" and "thank you". It turned into complete chaos but a very happy family when the children joined in, so I left the cards with them.

Stop blaming Labour for the Tories failure to tackle the issue. They have an 80 seat majority - if they had any viable and legal plan they could easily force it through. When has Starmer said they “want to open the floodgates”? Answer- nowhere , apart from in the minds of right wing journalists. No one has said they want unlimited immigration. Brexit was supposed to be taking back control. That was absolute rubbish as immigration has gone up. Just admit it - Tory plans have been tinkering round the edges and not addressing the root causes.

JenniferEccles

Actually the figure I quoted for housing the migrants who arrive here illegally is out of date.
The figure I quoted was seven million pounds a day, but actually it’s now eight million.

Eight million pounds every single day to house economic migrants who have no right to be here, and in fact it was recently revealed that the majority were Albanians, from a perfectly safe European country.

I guess though we had better get used to it because if Labour win the next election, we all know the flood gates will be flung wide open.
Starmer has already admitted as much.

I’d suggest you read some actual facts, courtesy of the House of Commons Library JenniferEccles, then make informed comment.
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/#:~:text=Nationality%20of%20asylum%20seekers%20and,(25%25%20of%20applicants).
You would find it helpful to look at the number of asylum applications by year, and the management of the process, comparing 2010, for example, with 2023. There is a breakdown by nationality too.

Do keep boring on, Siope. It might just penetrate one day

Are you sure it’s the majority and not 25%? Can you verify it?

Actually the figure I quoted for housing the migrants who arrive here illegally is out of date.
The figure I quoted was seven million pounds a day, but actually it’s now eight million.

Eight million pounds every single day to house economic migrants who have no right to be here, and in fact it was recently revealed that the majority were Albanians, from a perfectly safe European country.

I guess though we had better get used to it because if Labour win the next election, we all know the flood gates will be flung wide open.
Starmer has already admitted as much.

There is a robust process (which I’ve bored on about before) for assessing asylum claims. People’s word is not just accepted.

1.5% of asylum claims mention being gay. Even if Braverman had a point, which she doesn’t, it does not explain the lack of processing for the other 98.5%.

If Braverman (and the government she is part of) was remotely interested in tackling the backlog and reducing boat crossings, she (they would restore and fund safe routes with assessments at points of need/first claim, which would be overseas.

But she isn’t, of course, she’s much happier creating culture wars in the hopes it will appeal to enough Tory party members to get her chosen as the next leader.

Xenophobia, yes possibly, or could be that it’s her job to do something to reduce the constant flow of asylum seekers heading for Britain.Europe seems to stand helplessly by as more people keep coming.Is the answer to toughen up laws on what really constitute a true asylum seeker? Once people are here they can say anything about their own situation which may be untrue in order to stay here.So saying that you’re gay doesn’t cut it.Or, are the laws of asylum fine and we have to accept their word? It’s difficult, but things can’t continue as they are.

So why is she using racism and xenophobia to further her career?

Braverman is not Jewish, tho she is married to a man who is.
I’ve read that she’s Buddhist, and her parents have Indian ancestry, her mother coming from a Hindhu background and her father from a Goan Christian background.So quite a cultural and religion mix. Doubt very much that she is racist.
Right wing, but that’s quite a different thing.

Of course it's racism, it's stereotyping for the hard of thinking.
Sir Elton John, Ian McKellen and the UN Refugee Agency have condemned her disgusting rhetoric.
I am ashamed of who we have become.

There is only a tiny minority that seek refuge as a result of their sexuality.

Why is Braverman targeting them?

growstuff

Callistemon21

pinkquartz

Many women who are married and are Muslims are not allowed by their husbands to learn English.
Often they are not allowed to leave their home unless accompanied by a male relative.
There is no choice in this.
If it was made compulsary for recent immigrants to learn English these women could have a taste of freedom.

Girls are allowed to go to school but not to mix in any way with English children outside of school.
This is one way integration is stopped.

No all Muslim families are like that.
It depends on the culture of the country where the family originated from quite often.
Our neighbours certainly weren't, the girls played with my DD and this was years ago. Our godson's wife is a liberated woman as is friend's DIL.

Thank you for mentioning that. It's sad they all get stereotyped together.

Racism?

Our neighbours are from Pakistan, their daughters went to University and are totally westernised

Callistemon21

pinkquartz

Many women who are married and are Muslims are not allowed by their husbands to learn English.
Often they are not allowed to leave their home unless accompanied by a male relative.
There is no choice in this.
If it was made compulsary for recent immigrants to learn English these women could have a taste of freedom.

Girls are allowed to go to school but not to mix in any way with English children outside of school.
This is one way integration is stopped.

No all Muslim families are like that.
It depends on the culture of the country where the family originated from quite often.
Our neighbours certainly weren't, the girls played with my DD and this was years ago. Our godson's wife is a liberated woman as is friend's DIL.

Thank you for mentioning that. It's sad they all get stereotyped together.

Primrose53

JenniferEccles

I think the point Braverman was making was that Europe, including us of course, can’t be expected to absorb the potentially millions of people from, say, Africa and the Middle East who fancy settling here.

She quite rightly pointed out that the vast majority arriving illegally on the dinghies are economic migrants.

This situation can’t be allowed to continue can it? The daily rate now of housing these arrivals in hotels is now seven million pounds a day.
Horrifying isn’t it?
Something has got to be done, but every single plan the government has come up with has met fierce opposition from Labour, yet Yvette Cooper had the brass neck to criticise the Tories for failing to get to grips with the problem.

Of course the reaction of the majority on here to Suella’s speech was entirely predictable.

Completely agree JenniferEccles.

Paying out £7million every day could be much better spent on our own people who have worked and paid taxes here. Then there’s the millions we have paid to France and Turkey to do their bit which there’s not much evidence of.

People need to know that if they vote Labour the doors will be flung open and our country will be unrecognisable.

My husband was talking to a customer this morning who had taken his son to Leicester at the weekend. He had never been there before and was genuinely shocked that he only saw one white person on his route through the city. Of course, we knew as we lived there for 13 years and still visit.

That's odd. I go into Leicester most months and I've seen more than one white person each time I've been.

Strange thing is - in my block of terraced houses, we're all white, but I'm the only British person and the only one who speaks English at home.

Why do people associate non-whiteness with otherness?