Lawrence Fox

GrannyGravy13

Ava Evans has history on social media referring to who she would and wouldn’t shag

I remember this, but didn't have any links.

This on line spat is exactly why he said it.

Still doesn't mean he should have retaliated in the way he did.

Does add some back ground to his reasoning in doing so though.

I watched the documentary about suicide with Professor Green in 2015 it was very well presented. It’s a problem that affects many people I knew three people who committed suicide. The was no known apparent reason for each death they were all male and different ages.

It’s not a subject for a slanging match between journalists or anyone on television. It’s tragic and should be taken seriously taking into consideration the families who have lost their loved ones.

I do think the Male on the panel, sorry I dont know who he was tried very hard to maintain the focus on Male suicide.
There were some issues I suppose in that he had been discussing very lighthearted subjects in a jokey way and then moved on to male suicide, but we should be able to cope with a change of subject I suppose.

I think it might have been more useful if the panel discussing male suicide were focussed on that too or had experience or knowledge. It is like men discussing women's rights on abortion and contraception for example, which they do in high platforms all over the world, sadly

Start a thread Annie if you haven't already

I am not defending her - I haven't seen her comments, but was she saying it in the context of a debate about something else, or was it a standalone thing? If the latter, I think it is very different.

If I say 'George Clooney is gorgeous' apropos of nothing, it is one thing, but if he is on a televised debate with me and in answer to a comment about mental health I retort that I'd like to 'shag him' (or not) that is quite another.

I know very little about Evans, but I don't think that personal tweets are relevant to this, if that's what they were. If they weren't, then she should be judged on the case in point - they have nothing to do with this one.

Doodledog she was not referring to her private life but people in the public eye, she was being derogatory about them as was Laurence Fox in this instance.

Two wrongs do not make a right, I am not defending Mr Fox but if women stoop low they shouldn’t be surprised when men retort with the same.

Does she. I am not doubting you, I have just scrolled through her Twitter and it was completely bland. I am afraid I thought both women had their mantras and werent prepared to deviate from them, one of the flaws in identity politics in my view. None of this however changes the fact that Fox is an idiot.

GrannyGravy13

Ava Evans has history on social media referring to who she would and wouldn’t shag

That is unedifying, but context is all. To say that as an 'argument' against comments in a TV interview is very different from someone tweeting about her private life.

Ava Evans has history on social media referring to who she would and wouldn’t shag

Namsnanny

AmberSpyglass

She was wrong, he was unprofessional. Only one of those things is relevant here.

Agree

Yes, his comments about Evans' 'shaggability' had nothing whatsoever to do with her comments, and nor had did they add anything to awareness of male suicide. They were misogynistic, pure and simple.

He's the author of his own misfortune. Despite his privileged start in life he was expelled from school, wrecked his acting career (was he in anything other than Lewis and one episode of Foyle's War?) by his arrogant treatment of a woman in the Question Time audience, failed in his bid to be London Mayor, his loony right political party failed, his marriage failed and his ex-wife won't let him see his children (despite being good friends with her other ex) and now this. How much longer can he rely on nepotism to give him a career?

AmberSpyglass

She was wrong, he was unprofessional. Only one of those things is relevant here.

Agree

It's always best to know as much as possible, I find BlueBelle or we end up doing exactly as LF did, putting our foot in it (not you necessarily).

I saw the clip so I know what she said on there but I wondered if she had had form. I didnt find much of interest on her Twitter. Both women behaved poorly in that interview I thought. The man was very patient.

Fox claims that Wootton knew what he was going to say, it was all a set up! Totally vile, the pair of them. To those who defend him, would you be happy for your daughter or grand daughter to be talked about in this way? Or your son or grand son to talk like this?

Just seen the clip where Fox said some tirade about a female journalist saying something like well no one would want to sleep with her
what an effing ass he is I m glad he’s been pulled up and the idiot presenter who was laughing andsmirking at his words is pulled up too
I didn’t see the original discussion but this was enough

She said the reason more men under 50 commit suicide is partly because women aren't so successful.

No I am afraid he isnt.
Should I know Evans? I have just scanned her Twitter feed and there doesnt look to be much of interest, or much that is that controversial.

Wandering apostrophe from autocorrect!

Anniebach

I am taking about male suicide,

Fox was angry because there was a discussion about male suicide and Evan's detailed it.

Instead of using the anger to highlight and further the debate on male suicide, he has derailed the discussion further by his stupidity.

As a result, people are discussing misogyny.

He's just not very bright, is he.

Wootten claims that his mind had wandered and so didn't take note at first of what Fox was saying. However, the clip of Fox's tirade shows Wootten smirking.

I didn’t watch the debate. I believe the programme was about male suicide, which no one should undermine, any suicide is a tragedy. A proportion of women seem intent on undermining men, which is appalling. I have lots of great men in my family and those comments hurt.
However, Lawrence Fox, with his spitting, foul language was unforgivable. He is not representative of men, no way. He doesn’t deserve to work.

Yes, but the thread isn't about that, it is about misogyny. If you wanted to talk about male suicide you could have done so at any point by starting a thread about it.

I am taking about male suicide,

Anniebach

Would there have been a thread here if he had challenged her appropriately, I think not

No, there probably wouldn't. But we aren't talking about male suicide, are we? We are talking about Fox. If his motive was to highlight mental health in young men he needn't have made it about him, but could have used his unearned platform as a presenter to raise the topic properly. If he had calmly pointed out that Ava Evans' comments were not relevant to the subject there would have been no need for this thread.

Siope

He - Wootton - was suspended after Fox shared private messages apparently showing that Wootton knew in advance what Fox was going to say, and found it funny.

Yes, it appears to have been pre-planned. Fox has published private texts between himself and Wooton.

I don't watch GB News, so didn't see what happened, but I have seen a clip of what Fox said (without the contextual bit that led up to it), and reports about what happened which included the context. Whilst I can understand someone snapping if a nerve is touched, doing so in such a way is unprofessional and unacceptable. He should have questioned the appropriateness of the comments, not commented on whether he would climb into bed with the woman who made them! Is she supposed to be upset that he wouldn't want to? It is comments like that which give the likes of Andrew Tate credibility in the eyes of misogynists of both sexes, and I think it is right that Fox and Wooton were suspended.

What is an inquiry going to find? The clip is there for all to see. A more useful inquiry would be one into male suicide, depression and general mental health. It is a very important topic which deserves analysis and coverage by much more serious 'presenters' than those clowns. Is Fox even a journalist? My understanding is that he was expelled from Harrow, didn't attend university because of the Head Teacher's report on his behaviour and went into acting on the back of the family name. How that fits him for a career in politics and tv news presenting is anyone's guess.