Lawrence Fox

Would there have been a thread here if he had challenged her appropriately, I think not

Exactly my thoughts Galaxy, but having read the op again, more of it was given over to misogyny and sex, than the topic of male suicide.
So perhaps those of us who think we should look at the subject matter, and not LF outburst are out of step with the original op?

Yes he should have challenged her appropriately, as now the whole focus is once again not on Male suicide.

Siope

He - Wootton - was suspended after Fox shared private messages apparently showing that Wootton knew in advance what Fox was going to say, and found it funny.

So Fox can't claim it was just an angry outburst on the spur of the moment!

Had he talked about this in a sensible way, pointing out what had happened and how it detracted from proper debate, people might have taken notice.
Instead, he's made it all about him.

He - Wootton - was suspended after Fox shared private messages apparently showing that Wootton knew in advance what Fox was going to say, and found it funny.

Oh, he looked really shocked from what I saw on the lunchtime news! 🤔
Smirking and smiling.

this is what it says on his wikipedia page which I know is not a reliable source of information....
On 26 September 2023, whilst appearing on Wootton's GB News show, actor Laurence Fox made sexual comments about journalist Ava Evans that the broadcaster deemed "totally unacceptable". Wootton, who could be seen laughing at points as Fox spoke, subsequently issued two statements in response, saying he had reacted "out of shock".[53] Fox and Wootton were subsequently suspended from the channel pending an internal investigation

Sorry I am a bit late to this but was Wooton suspended for his role in this or for the allegations following him around.

I understand that GB news is testing the boundaries of what Ofcom will allow and has a number of investigations ongoing. I am totally amazed that anyone could feel that it was acceptable for Fox to speak in the way he did and defend it in terms of "free speech". Wootton should have immediately made it clear that his comments were unacceptable. IMO young men are being harmed by the views of Fox, Tate et al not helped. There are much more effective ways of challenging the views of others than stooping to misogynistic tropes.

pascal30

I have great sympathy for young men but I find most of what Lawrence Fox says and believes in, obnoxious.. he actually promotes himself as being anti-woke..

If his outburst had been out of character you could almost feel sorry for him.
But it wasn't and, with his background, he should have the ability to be more articulate than that. Ava Evans was wrong to dismiss the tragedies and try to turn the debate, however, his misogyny shines through.
His last girlfriend had a lucky escape.

As for that other man, Dan Wootton? Smiling and smirking?

That is a good idea, Dickens. Men do need to be given an opportunity to voice their concerns without being dismissed and I know that my son would agree with this. I see that Evans has apologised, saying that her comments were "a little harsh". Sorry, not sorry, more like.

Dickens

Perhaps it would be a good idea to have a TV debate about male-suicide - with an all-male panel?

And then we can hear what they think and feel without women who have an agenda injecting it into the conversation.

I'm not offended by Fox's terminology - just the fact that, as frequently happens - the validity of a woman's opinion is measured by whether or not she's 'shaggable'.

Time for the BBC to show Football, Prince William and Our Mental Health again:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000jkbr

Clips:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=brJfDn3IuBA

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEUoV7zJ8R0

Fox has now turned the focus from the suicide discussion on to his immature behaviour.

everything he says is like an immature spoilt child, I don't care that he's a man

I have great sympathy for young men but I find most of what Lawrence Fox says and believes in, obnoxious.. he actually promotes himself as being anti-woke..

Whatever happened to British good manners? Perhaps TV progs should be pre- recorded and edited.

It was reported on the lunch-time news in rather a biased way with no background, and I thought it was just another despicable rant against a woman by Fox. It wasn't until I read more about it on this thread that I understood the background to this Fox story.

What he said was immature and absolutely despicable but, hearing now that Ava Evans tried to turn the discussion away from the very real problems of young male suicide, he was right to be angry.

Surely there was a much better way of showing his anger and instigating a proper, public debate about this than his puerile outburst?

Time and time again Laurence Fox lets himself down with his juvenile language. Why does he do it? In this instance he sounds as if he is addressing a group of not very bright 16 year old lads.

He’s a well educated, supposedly intelligent man who should be able to make his point without resorting to that sort of language.

In the past I have agreed with many of his views ( especially his anti- woke stance!) but he’s gone too far this time, despite how irritating the female journalist was.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to have a TV debate about male-suicide - with an all-male panel?

And then we can hear what they think and feel without women who have an agenda injecting it into the conversation.

I'm not offended by Fox's terminology - just the fact that, as frequently happens - the validity of a woman's opinion is measured by whether or not she's 'shaggable'.

Laurence Fox is a misogynist creep, and no amount of disagreement with any woman’s point of view makes defending his language and attitudes - or those of the smirking Wootton - appropriate, as far as I’m concerned.

I am glad the two of them have been suspended, and I hope they are both sacked.

It is entirely correct that freedom of speech carries, as it has always done, proportionate consequences.

The men’s behaviour was disgusting and I hope that this starts to spell an end to their toxic careers.

Understandable for a person with suicidal thoughts

So some of you think Laurence Fox made a perfectly appropriate response?

Dan Wooten ought not to have allowed that to go unchallenged. All boys together? Hmmm….

The other issue Geoff Norcott tried to raise was the imbalance in male/female Covid deaths. Again, Evans talked over him.

From: www.menshealthforum.org.uk/covid-19-statistics-england-wales

Proportionately fewer men are dying in the second wave than the first but nonetheless menmake up nearly 2/3 (61%) of Covid-19deaths in people under 85. In the age group 85+, there are nearly twice as many women as men - the legacy of poor men's health in general - and this is the only age group in which most Covid-19 deaths are female.

This chart reflects ONS data published up until 27 July 2021.

It is something that needs to be investigated, whether it is to do with immunity, general health, employment or lifestyle.