Lawrence Fox

Why so aggressive? There doesn't seem to be much pragmatism in your posts. You start by sniping, then make accusations of bias, tell 'Some People' that they are out of touch, and are now playing the victim.

Are you new here? It usually takes a little while for people to tick off that lot .

Ha Ha - you must be right then - thanks for proving my point again

Pragmatist

Mainly passive aggressive responses clear too see

There's no 'passive' in my responses to you, they are fairly aggressive.

But I have not name-called. It's something I earnestly try to avoid.

And... I do think you are attempting to invalidate opinion you don't agree with by telling us... the "they" you refer to... what we should be talking about, basically telling us we are 'sheep' "ignoring what really matters".

I don't agree with those who try to derail a discussion by suggesting that we should be debating on other matters. Other matters you could start a thread on yourself, no-one is stopping you from doing that.

It really isn't up to you to decide what you think we should be focusing on.

Interesting how someone took offence when I repeated something as an example of something someone said to me - presumably they were thinking it was aimed at them or their opinions - but no-one sprang to my defence when It was said to me.

QED

I think you're right, Grandmafrench. He does seem to need help, as he's been circling the drain for a while now. Suspension/sacking is probably what he needs for now, and he'd be better closing his YouTube channel until he recovers, too.

GrannyGravy13

Laurence Fox was wrong, there is a backstory though as the lady’s Twitter feed shows.

He was so wrong, again. The debate/discussion was totally de-railed. But, could he have planned to use the phrase against her simply because she’s clearly no stranger to using it herself - as her Twittering shows? So he felt it’d be a clever way to undermine her? Failed spectacularly and it just looked like another sexist snipe.
His so-called explanation and apology was another fail. Whatever his current life problems, he now needs to have a long think well away from tv and newspapers and get some help with his anger.

Kandinsky

Some of you need to listen to the music many young people listen to if you want to hear the misogynistic messages getting through to them ( on a daily basis )
I doubt the average 14 year old has ever heard of Laurence Fox tbh.
His views mean nothing to young people because they don’t listen to him.
The real problem is happening very insidiously.

Some of us have not only heard the music, but commented on it, on its insidious message of violence and misogyny.

However, Drill 'music' is a very specific subgenre of Hip-Hop and not one the majority of 14 year olds listen to.

The most dangerous aspect of listening to any music for teens is loss of hearing because of earphones and earbuds - they are quite literally deafening themselves through the high decibel count.

Quite a few 14 year olds know very little about the 'adult' world of politics. You'd be surprised at how many can't even name the current prime minister, so it's hardly surprising they don't know the names of the shock-jocks like Fox.

My opinions are fairly well summed up by this link - I will say no more on this thread

www.youthvoices.live/to-what-extent-does-media-control-society/

My opinion is as valid as anyones and if you dusagree with me that is fine too.

Funny - I got a response from repeating what was said to me ha ha

Many if you read it back

I could predict the phrases you would use …

And who are you to take a patronising approach

Who are you to decide

Mainly passive aggressive responses clear too see

It was the same in the past when we just had newspapers. The media moguls controlled the dialogue then. This is readily researchable now. My point is that the big tech companies are repeating history.

What name have you been called? I don't see attacks, either - just an observation.

Interesting how if you debate with some they resort to attacking you and name calling - it has started here with some of the responses

Look at X and twitter as it was and perhaps you will understand my opinion. All of Avas old tweets are now not searchable - they are only evidenced by screenshots. We are all controlled by what media lets us see. Look at the attacks on GB News that readily searchable still - you will find most MSM is against GB News - search and ye will find - if the Tech companies allow us to see it

Kandinsky, why assume ‘some of us’ know nothing of the many negative influences on young people

Pragmatist

They all comment as one against some words by Fox whereas they could all shout about real crime, violent crime, really mental health issues and get something dome about it. But it is far easier to create a storm about misogyny or whatever else they want to highlight.

A productive argument with someone who insists that everyone else but them is a sheep following a set agenda and that only they can see the 'truth' is an effort not worth pursuing.

You are as biased in your opinion as much as you are accusing everyone else of being.

And attempting to invalidate the views of those you don't agree with by suggesting they should be talking about something other than the topic because 'it's more important' is a well understood tactic used in attempt to shut down debate.

Which mainstream media is against GB News?

Some of you need to listen to the music many young people listen to if you want to hear the misogynistic messages getting through to them ( on a daily basis )
I doubt the average 14 year old has ever heard of Laurence Fox tbh.
His views mean nothing to young people because they don’t listen to him.
The real problem is happening very insidiously.

Oh and I could predict the phrases you were going to use pragmatist, as soon as you used the phrase MSM, perhaps we are not the only 'sheep'

More than one thing can matter at a time.

Fox is concerned about a 'woke' media-driven agenda too, as is Russell Brand and his supporters. It seems as though misogyny goes hand in glove with conspiracy theories.

Pragmatist

You are missing the point - the medias outcry helps set the agenda - and the agenda is wrong - yet social media follows like sheep and ignore what really matters

'The Media' is a broad spectrum - it doesn't simply consist of the national dailies - thanks to the internet we can read differing views from the mainstream.

We comment on what interests us - there have been many 'outcries' that I couldn't give a fig about, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

The 'war' between the sexes is as old as the hills and will always be of interest to many, in either camp.

And, who are you to decide what really matters anyway?