Lawrence Fox

They all comment as one against some words by Fox whereas they could all shout about real crime, violent crime, really mental health issues and get something dome about it. But it is far easier to create a storm about misogyny or whatever else they want to highlight.

Main Stream Media are totally against GB News and Fox and anyone else who has a different outlook and Ofcom will try and shut them down as they are all of the same mindset

You are missing the point - the medias outcry helps set the agenda - and the agenda is wrong - yet social media follows like sheep and ignore what really matters

Kandinsky

Yes, it was a very childish thing to say & I’m sure he regrets it.
But it isn’t as serious as other things that are happening in the news.
This thread has hundreds of posts,
so many people wanting to talk about LF not wanting to shag someone.

A few days ago a 15 year old girl was stabbed to death on her way to school by a 17 year old male.
Where’s the outcry?
Where’s the thread with 100’s of posts?

Whatever we discuss - there will always be something else that is more serious than what we are talking about at that moment.

There is no check-list that we have to consult to decide which topic or event has more weight than other - people post spontaneously.

Fox's outburst is being debated because it's very much a public matter - there are aspects to discuss.

There is little to discuss about the stabbing of yet another young person - it's not a 'debatable' matter, because everyone recognises the horror of it. Until we know the details - the boy is in custody - what can we say, unless you want pages and pages of speculation (which is usually discouraged on social media when someone is in custody and awaiting a charge).

I could write reams and reams about knife-crime among young people and why I think it's proliferating, and why very little appears to be being done to deal with it, but I can't speculate on this particular case, and neither can anyone else - which is possibly why there's no thread about it.

JaneJudge

and it is so commonplace that he thought it was quite alright to say out loud on television. No wonder women have to protect themselves on nights out

I don't think it is so common place on tv and if it was a play on AE's own words, then maybe that is why he mistakenly felt he could say it on tv. If it was so commonplace on the tv, there wouldn't have been such an outcry.

It is also very very obvious that he was lying.

and it is so commonplace that he thought it was quite alright to say out loud on television. No wonder women have to protect themselves on nights out

Not only that, his not wanting to shag AE is academic, surely - she is well out of his league. The assumption that not wanting sex with her is an insult is just further misogyny.

This thread has hundreds of posts,
so many people wanting to talk about LF not wanting to shag someone.
No. People are talking about Fox's deliberate sexism and casual misogyny on a TV channel.

Kandinsky

The only difference between LF and many of the women critizing him, is he said what he thought on TV, he didn’t hide behind an anonymous username on the internet.

I’ve lost count of the posts I’ve seen by women when saying things like ‘imagine sleeping with that? when spilling out their usual hatred for right wing men like Nigel Farage. But it’s ok to say things about them because they’re right wing men & you can be as rotten as you like about them, other women just laugh along.
So what’s the difference?
People hide behind anonymity on the internet - they’re as bad as LF deep down, many probably worse.

So what if he doesn’t find a particular woman attractive? Why does that offend people so much?
The saddest thing about this mountain out of a molehill is the very serious subject of male suicide has been completely overshadowed.

Typical really.

That’s not the only difference Kandinsky. The big difference isn’t that he said it on TV, it’s that he said it in the course of his employment. That’s quite different to an individual making a personal comment, when they aren’t being paid to take part in a debate.

There is a thread on the stabbing Kandinsky. Maybe you haven’t seen it

Can’t you see the link between the boy stabbing the girl and violence against women ?
Misogynists like Fox and Tate fuel the fire.

Yes, it was a very childish thing to say & I’m sure he regrets it.
But it isn’t as serious as other things that are happening in the news.
This thread has hundreds of posts,
so many people wanting to talk about LF not wanting to shag someone.

A few days ago a 15 year old girl was stabbed to death on her way to school by a 17 year old male.
Where’s the outcry?
Where’s the thread with 100’s of posts?

'I think your policy on badminton is rubbish'

'Look at the state of you - who would want to get into bed with that?'

Can you not see how puerile and sexist that is?

Kandinsky

So what if he doesn’t find a particular woman attractive? Why does that offend people so much? hmm

As I am one of the "offended" - I will answer.

Because it wasn't about a particular woman that he didn't find attractive.

It was the kind of response that men infrequently make (and sometimes women) when they want to demean their opponent, rather than challenge them on the matter they are discussing. It's as simple as that.

In common parlance, it's playing the man, not the ball. Fox also acknowledged that is what he did, in a later video statement - and recognised that not only had he demeaned Evans... he had demeaned himself. by his outburst. Either you see it, or you don't.

Yes, I’m not disagreeing with you Kandinsky, some women make critical, dismissive comments about men. We live in an increasingly polarised society, that’s reflected in the comments you criticise.
We should never forget the extent of horrific physical, sexual, emotional, psychological abuse men perpetrate against women. One woman a week is murdered by a man, often a partner, often when the woman is trying to leave.
That’s one of the reasons I see men like Tate and Fox as increasing the risk women face

I’m only on here & mumsnet, but I’ve seen enough awful posts about men on these two sites.
At the time of the referendum there were posts on mumsnet saying they wished Nigel Farage had died in the helicopter crash he was in. People ( assuming women as it was mumsnet ) just laughed.

Kandinsky - how many misogynistic comments, death and rape threats by men have you found

The only difference between LF and many of the women critizing him, is he said what he thought on TV, he didn’t hide behind an anonymous username on the internet.

I’ve lost count of the posts I’ve seen by women when saying things like ‘imagine sleeping with that? when spilling out their usual hatred for right wing men like Nigel Farage. But it’s ok to say things about them because they’re right wing men & you can be as rotten as you like about them, other women just laugh along.
So what’s the difference?
People hide behind anonymity on the internet - they’re as bad as LF deep down, many probably worse.

So what if he doesn’t find a particular woman attractive? Why does that offend people so much?
The saddest thing about this mountain out of a molehill is the very serious subject of male suicide has been completely overshadowed.

Typical really.

It isn't that he disagreed with Ms Evans it is that he took it to a personal level with is comments. He is a pig of a man and nothing excuses what he said.

Thank you all, I didn’t want to start another thread, I wouldn’t want it about me. definitely much money is needed .

Anniebach

Dickens I was instructed here to start another thread if I wanted to speak of suicide , my adored daughter ended her life
6 years ago . A man takes his life , so often this leaves a mother ,
grandmother, wife, sisters, daughters, no matter here it’s nothing to do with women .

I'm sorry this was said Anniebach.

Expressions of sympathy and little bunches of cyber flowers don't really reflect how much people empathise.

Agreed, Dickens. I remember the shock when we heard that my son's best friend had hung himself. We'd known he had been troubled and really felt for him but the shock I felt on behalf of his parents still lives on. I just can't imagine how devastating that must have been if it still makes my heart stop when I think about it.

Anniebach

Suicide by men came into it, bringing a deliberate avoidance of
subject by MsE.

I've always read what you've written about the tragedy of your dear daughter's suicide - trying to even imagine how she felt, and how you coped with it. Still cope with it.

Expressions of sympathy and little bunches of cyber flowers don't really reflect how much people empathise. You don' even have to know someone personally to feel profound sadness for the loss of an adult child.

Good post Doodle. One ministry for mh with specific areas of specialism. It may have helped raise awareness of the problems at the Tavistock earlier had mh been prioritised by a govt department

Annie i join others is acknowledging your first hand and devastating experience of suicide. I haven’t trawled back but may have suggested someone start a thread on male suicide. If I did, it wasn’t pointed at you