Lawrence Fox

Pragmatist

Here his heartfelt apology and his fears for young men in this world. - do not read headlines read the transcript or listen to it as headlines paint a false picture - unless you hear the actual words you cannot assess this. . Fox never comments on her appearance despite what the headlines say

What he actually said is much worse than a mere comment on her appearance. If anybody referred to me as a little woman, as he did her, he’d get short shrift for starters. Referring to her as ‘that’ was demeaning and sexist. There’s no defence for his behaviour, he knew exactly what he was saying and it was designed to humiliate her. He didn’t even apologise immediately either - and when he did, bear in mind he is an actor.

i'm glad dan wootton has been suspended, he's so smug when interviewing.

Agreed - and sometimes still need to be better than male colleagues in the workplace in order to have something approaching equal treatment with promotion.

He has apologised.

LovesBach

I too feel sympathy for many men nowdays; the balance of 'power' did need to be redressed, but the attitude of so many women now is that men cannot say, or do, anything acceptable.

Perhaps rather than say I don’t know any women who believe men cannot say, or do, anything acceptable, I could have suggested the press and social media do not in my experience push that view point.
I don’t like the current adverts which seem to have switched from the earlier presentation of ‘dumb’ women, to often presenting men as incompetent, particularly when domestic duties or child care are the focus.
The ‘balance of power’ remains unequal. Women earn less for example.

Here his heartfelt apology and his fears for young men in this world. - do not read headlines read the transcript or listen to it as headlines paint a false picture - unless you hear the actual words you cannot assess this. . Fox never comments on her appearance despite what the headlines say

is this what people are talking about?

metro.co.uk/2023/09/28/ofcom-investigation-gb-news-dan-wootton-laurence-fox-19573591/?ito=facebook%7Csocial%7Cmetroukfacebook&fbclid=IwAR2gqxC386mgU2QpM0ksm73sDR6iESalkxxjJSu4Rlyyd1Ni43IFM5842vk

the video if you scroll down is repulsive how can anyone defend him?

Galaxy

But he indulges in it all the time. It's similar in hypocrisy as if I started lecturing people about spending too much time on GN.

But he indulges in it all the time. It's similar in hypocrisy as if I started lecturing people about spending too much time on GN.

Well done Fox for his announcement. He Apologised for the demeaning words he used but he stands up for the message that men hating rhetoric by women is toxic. Just like women hating rhetoric by men is.

Ok, but why bring all the good men into it? As you've asked, that is what seemed like mitigation.

I have said that Fox' s remarks were deplorable; how can you, Doodledog, draw from that any kind of mitigation? You are making assumptions and posting them - please do not do that. I have neither written, nor implied, that women shouldn't report offensive behaviour, or tolerate it. I don't, I have taught my daughters not to, and you have certainly misrepresented my meaning. Apology accepted. One opinion doesn't cancel another; sympathy for one sex does not equate with condemnation of the other, and I am not the only poster who has expressed dislike for sweeping generalisations on this thread.

lemsip

I watch anne diamond and stephen dixon morning news, also eamonn and isobel. I also like camilla tominey and many other topics

Oh yes I forgot about Camilla Tominey

LovesBach

...and I didn't say that either, Doodledog.

No, but you said that you know good men (as do we all) who are hurt by generalisations, and if the implication wasn't that this somehow mitigates Fox's comments or that women shouldn't speak up about them, I'm not sure why you brought them up? I didn't mean to misrepresent your meaning and I apologise if I have done so, but I'm not sure what it is if not what I've just said.

I watch anne diamond and stephen dixon morning news, also eamonn and isobel. I also like camilla tominey and many other topics

MerylStreep

It appears that some are calling for Ofcom to close down GBNews.
Did anyone call for the bbc to be shut down when Russel Brand and Jonathan Ross left those disgusting voice messages on Andrew Sachs phone, no.
They got rid of Russel Brand but a slap on the wrist for their money earner, Jonathan Ross. A 12 week suspension.
I’m not defending Laurence Fox but I believe double standards should be called out.

Both investigations are equal in terms of action taken at the current stage of proceedings Meryl Streep.
Suspended, Ofcom investigation.
Are you prejudging what the outcome will be for Fox and Wootton, because I don’t see how you can claim that there are double standards otherwise?

Defending GB news is not a hill I wish to die on, far from it.

But Dihnamo Ofcom rules are in force, why are Wootton or Fox being axed if not?

Agree with those (*Galaxy*) who appreciate Andrew Doyle. His program cannot be bettered anywhere.

I wonder why he chose GB news to air them?

MerylStreep

It appears that some are calling for Ofcom to close down GBNews.
Did anyone call for the bbc to be shut down when Russel Brand and Jonathan Ross left those disgusting voice messages on Andrew Sachs phone, no.
They got rid of Russel Brand but a slap on the wrist for their money earner, Jonathan Ross. A 12 week suspension.
I’m not defending Laurence Fox but I believe double standards should be called out.

It's because GBN does not claim to be a news channel and so therefore does not need to comply with the OFCOM rules that the actual news channels do comply with. So it's not double standards.

MerylStreep

It appears that some are calling for Ofcom to close down GBNews.
Did anyone call for the bbc to be shut down when Russel Brand and Jonathan Ross left those disgusting voice messages on Andrew Sachs phone, no.
They got rid of Russel Brand but a slap on the wrist for their money earner, Jonathan Ross. A 12 week suspension.
I’m not defending Laurence Fox but I believe double standards should be called out.

That was appalling - those messages were disgraceful.

Jonathan Ross is now presenting a programme for Classic FM - it's not a favourite slot of mine anyway - but I absolutely refuse to listen to it now that he's presenting it. Shame on Classic FM.

There are some things which, in my book anyway, are unforgiveable - what he and Brand did are one of them. Humiliating a young woman and an elderly man.

Brand did, at the very least, apologise - sincerely enough for the granddaughter to believe he meant it. Ross never did.

Galaxy

I dont particularly like GB news (although I like Andrew doyle) but I didlike attempts to shut things down even more

I'm with you on that.

I also dislike it, but shutting things down, banning things - altering the narratives in books, no-platforming and cancelling people because you don't like their opinions... if no law is being broken, then 'shutting-down' is a dangerous road to go down.

GB did appear to act swiftly, although I don't know all the details. All media have their 'slants' - we should challenge them, not cancel them.

For clarity: my earlier comment wasn’t aimed at anyone in particular. I was merely pointing out that as soon as a condemnation is qualified in any way, it’s no longer a condemnation.

Yes I think it was a convenient time for wooton to go.
Andrew doyle is a comedian he is on GB news. Very interested in free speech, and very interested in the gender critical debate.

...and I didn't say that either, Doodledog.

Galaxy

I dont particularly like GB news (although I like Andrew doyle) but I didlike attempts to shut things down even more

Me too, on both counts - not sure who Andrew Doyle is though.

I don't want to shut things down, but I do think that there should be sanctions for unacceptable comments. I'm inclined to wonder whether Wooton was on the way out anyway, and this has given them a good excuse.

I dont particularly like GB news (although I like Andrew doyle) but I didlike attempts to shut things down even more