Some much needed good news

Germanshepherdsmum

Councils could be given money to build their own houses (they already have money to buy and rent out existing houses - my local authority is currently buying some for Afghan refugees and the homeless). And the right to buy should be repealed. A disastrous piece of legislation.

Our local council is building a small development of council houses & flats.

Councils could be given money to build their own houses (they already have money to buy and rent out existing houses - my local authority is currently buying some for Afghan refugees and the homeless). And the right to buy should be repealed. A disastrous piece of legislation.

Interesting Germanshephersmum that makes sense when I see new developments near me with so few new terraced houses and so many detached ones.
What Labour could do is to make sure that there are small developments of council only houses built.Small as we all know that large council estates became no go areas sometimes.Small, as in some in every village and town, and not to be sold off either.

I’ll watch the housebuilding plans with interest WWM2. This report by Savills makes an interesting read.

www.google.com/url?q=https://www.savills.co.uk/research_articles/229130/350250-0%23:~:text%3D239%252C300%2520new%2520homes%2520were%2520built,consent%2520also%2520continues%2520to%2520fall.&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjQit770eOBAxVKV0EAHRFABY8QFnoECAoQBQ&usg=AOvVaw2_v0_H3kdsVfZap5x8NQ7C

The comments were directed at all Conservative voters. There are a lot of us on GN, but for obvious reasons many just keep their heads below the parapet,

Germanshepherdsmum

As someone who has negotiated many s106 Agreements on behalf of developers, I can tell you that local authorities don’t need help with them. They have their own legal departments and if they have a red line they don’t budge from it. If provision of a certain level of affordable housing (or any other planning requirement) makes a development unviable a developer will not buy the site. Site acquisition is almost always undertaken via an option agreement or a contract conditional on the obtaining of a planning permission which is satisfactory to the developer - and the contract will list various planning requirements, such as provision of more than x affordable units, which will render a consent unsatisfactory.

Starmer is working on the basis that the vast majority of the public don’t know how these things actually work and will believe his ‘toughening up’ and ‘assistance’ rhetoric. Empty promises which will impress those who know no better.

I was just about to post similar Germanshepherdsmum

We supply the building industry and see how these things work on a day to day basis.

The Labour Party haven’t a cat in hells chance of fulfilling their housing promise

On the plus side if they do, it will be a win win for our business.

Whitewavemark2

I used James O’Briens quote because I share his opinion at the frustration and incredibility at those, despite the utter evilness and poison that drips from Braverman etc. are still willing to vote for one if the most inhumane policies that this country has tried to put into law.

It was NOT directed at any particular individual - I have no clue how anyone voted.

The fact that anyone has taken it as a personal insult is either mistakenly or deliberately not understanding what I said.

I never ever direct comments at individuals, unless it is something to praise or give support etc. never have, never will.

So it is no good any one of you trying to goad me into reaction at a personal it won’t work.

My comment was directed at the amorphous voters who stand cheering as the poison from Braverman contaminates everything as she does or fails to do.

I have always voted Tory

I am now politically homeless.

By acknowledging that you share James O’Brian’s comments you are also endorsing them, which I find totally reprehensible.

I never ever direct comments at individuals, unless it is something to praise or give support etc. never have, never will

But there are Tory voters on gransnet WW2 & you know that, so you are directing your comments at them.
Plenty of Tory voters read GN but never post, so you’re directing your comments at them too.
If you don’t get that maybe you shouldn’t be posting on social media.

As someone who has negotiated many s106 Agreements on behalf of developers, I can tell you that local authorities don’t need help with them. They have their own legal departments and if they have a red line they don’t budge from it. If provision of a certain level of affordable housing (or any other planning requirement) makes a development unviable a developer will not buy the site. Site acquisition is almost always undertaken via an option agreement or a contract conditional on the obtaining of a planning permission which is satisfactory to the developer - and the contract will list various planning requirements, such as provision of more than x affordable units, which will render a consent unsatisfactory.

Starmer is working on the basis that the vast majority of the public don’t know how these things actually work and will believe his ‘toughening up’ and ‘assistance’ rhetoric. Empty promises which will impress those who know no better.

If this is your second thread you could ask for this to be deleted too and start a new one, listing good LP policies and intentions without any insults

Oh, what a good idea!!

That could be really useful.

Nobody is trying to goad you at all Whitewavemark2 but rather it seemed the other way around.
You say rather goady stuff in your second post tho don’t you?
About sensitive souls and fits of vapours.
If this is your second thread you could ask for this to be deleted too and start a new one, listing good LP policies and intentions without any insults.Always goes down better with people I find.

Oreo

I wonder if it was Whitewavemark2’s own words, as she usually just uses quotes and not her own thoughts.
Awful stuff tho that needed deleting.Was it a quote by Angela Rayner I wonder?
Why not concentrate on what Labour want to achieve instead of throwing those kind of insults around?

No, it was a quote by O-Brien.

Similar ilk to Wootton, Fox etc.

Puerile posh boys just wanting to be noticed.

GrannyGravy13

I think it was the

blue tie tied tight round Tory voters necks stopping the blood reaching their dead brains

comment that some are found offensive…

Yes, not that I'm generally a Tory voter although I have been known to float that way once or twice.

It is just as offensive as remarks by some commentators on GB News which offends so many and causes some sensitive souls to have a fit of the vapours.

If I lived there I think that post would make me think if those are the sort of people who support Labor it would be better not to vote for them but look elsewhere. Even Tory.

I used James O’Briens quote because I share his opinion at the frustration and incredibility at those, despite the utter evilness and poison that drips from Braverman etc. are still willing to vote for one if the most inhumane policies that this country has tried to put into law.

It was NOT directed at any particular individual - I have no clue how anyone voted.

The fact that anyone has taken it as a personal insult is either mistakenly or deliberately not understanding what I said.

I never ever direct comments at individuals, unless it is something to praise or give support etc. never have, never will.

So it is no good any one of you trying to goad me into reaction at a personal it won’t work.

My comment was directed at the amorphous voters who stand cheering as the poison from Braverman contaminates everything as she does or fails to do.

Casdon
Exactly where on this thread is the quote saying it was by somebody called O’Brien?
The many posts I have read by Whitewavemark2 are quotes,
Some have name sources and some don’t.That being the case I assumed they weren’t her own words.

Let’s have a discussion about issues, not about what people think of other posters

Pass that onto WW2 not anyone else. She’s the one happily labelling Tory voters as ‘brain dead’ - or supporting those views.

MaizieD

Oreo

I wonder if it was Whitewavemark2’s own words, as she usually just uses quotes and not her own thoughts.
Awful stuff tho that needed deleting.Was it a quote by Angela Rayner I wonder?
Why not concentrate on what Labour want to achieve instead of throwing those kind of insults around?

It was James O'Brien.

It's out of character for Wwmk2 to be unkind, but after the disgraceful exhibition of tory lies, gaslighting, xenophobia and downright nastiness that passed for a 'Party Conference' last weekend I don't understand how anyone with can give them the time of day, let alone be polite about them. O'Brien expresses a lot of people's frustration and disbelief.

Whitewavemark2 said in her post where the quote came from Oreo, which makes your comment about her usually using ‘quotes and not her own words’ come across as having a go at her if it’s read one way, apart from not being true because she often shares her own thoughts about issues, whether others agree with them is their choice.

It’s very easy for what anybody says to be misinterpreted by those looking for slights. Let’s have a discussion about issues, not about what people think of other posters.

It was offensive, but very typical.

The irony is that Labour did not defeat the Tories In Rutherglen (where thy never had a chance of winning) but instead they claimed an SNP seat - That is the SNP who have been busy building affordable housing all over Scotland, providing free tuition,prescriptions, baby boxes,etc - things that Labour never did when they controlled the Scottish Government. Indeed they boasted that ever year they returned some of their Barnet Formula Grant to London as they had not spent it!

Granted, So called "Scottish" Labour, have doubled their representation at Westminster, which was hardly a gargantuan task given that they went from 1 seat to 2.

Further to the plans for housing.

There was a 12% drop in the building of affordable houses last year.

Sunak did not mention it once in his speech largely I assume because they have never ever reached their target (rather like the small boats, well, most of what the have failed to do).

House building is set to fall to its lowest level since WW2, because of Tory policies that will dramatically slow development.

Gove has given billions of £s back to the treasury, because he has failed to get the affordable housing plan up and running.

Labour intends to have an entirely different approach. The section 106 planning rules will be toughened, and councils etc are to given assistance in negotiating/drawing up tough contracts with developers.

Labour will no longer allow developers to claim that building affordable houses are “not viable” and only allow them to challenge section 106 under very particular circumstances.

Councils will have greater access to grants to buy housing stock, to rent out at affordable rents.

If the Tories fail to produce a leasehold reform bill, this will be in the first Labour Kings speech, which will make it easier for leaseholders to buy their lease.

Labour will not relax the polluting law that will kill off our rivers.

The Tories have tried to allow developers to poison our land and rivers by relaxing this law, to “encourage” development.

It’s no wonder that some of us who are Conservative voters rarely post on these threads. I found the ‘brain dead’ comments very offensive.

I’ve no idea who O’Brien is, but if he comes up with stuff like that then I’m glad not to read what he writes.There’s already far too much rage and hate filled messages out there.

O’Brien educated at Ampleforth, anti Brexit - the monks must be proud?

Oreo

I wonder if it was Whitewavemark2’s own words, as she usually just uses quotes and not her own thoughts.
Awful stuff tho that needed deleting.Was it a quote by Angela Rayner I wonder?
Why not concentrate on what Labour want to achieve instead of throwing those kind of insults around?

It was James O'Brien.

It's out of character for Wwmk2 to be unkind, but after the disgraceful exhibition of tory lies, gaslighting, xenophobia and downright nastiness that passed for a 'Party Conference' last weekend I don't understand how anyone with can give them the time of day, let alone be polite about them. O'Brien expresses a lot of people's frustration and disbelief.