Hamas has attacked Israel

merlotgran

^Yes, they would have known how Israel would react. Which is why, imo Israel shouldn’t have retaliated in the way they have^

How on earth did you expect them to react?

You mean to react to innocent people being killed by killing more innocent people. Hamas wanted this to escalate.

Paddyann54 plenty of people care about Palestine as witnessed by the mass demonstrations all over the world spouting disgusting racist rants which makes other hate crimes we see prosecuted in the West tame by comparison.
I used to have sympathy with Palestinians and did not support the building of more Israeli settlements.
However Ive since realised that millions of people across the world wish to eradicate Jews from the Middle East.
Thinking that any extremist (of which there are multitudes) in the Arab world would be happy to live in peace with the state of Israel however much we all would wish it is frankly naive.
I resent the statement that Israelis are driven by greed. No, they’re driven by fear and judging by the actions of those barbaric monsters on Saturday they are justified.

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Oreo
No one on GN could educate me more than my friends mother .she was a member of the Stern Gang. I listened to her history for 40 years.
Not trying to educate anyone but on the off chance that some posters might not be aware of the Stern Gang.

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Oh do please stop stirring Fleurpepper this is not the topic to do it with.

'cosy discussions' - this is an appalling comment.

'If only the Palestinians hadn’t voted them into power in the first place'

the history explains clearly why the Palestinians voted them in power- as they saw them as their last hope to stop Israel's relentless expansion. There is nothing 'cosy' about this. Again, what an appalling choice of words in this disastrous tragedy.

Fleurpepper that post was from pages ago, and my next posts explained why, I felt the thread was becoming just post after post about the history when this thread was presumably started to discuss how shocked we all were and the atrocities carried out by Hamas.
Candelle then posted a similar comment to mine which quite a few posters responded positively to.

What has just happened is more than the usual missile exchange, it’s the stuff of nightmares. Hamas care nothing for the population in Gaza their mission is just to wage war with Jews, to try to get others on board with them and kill as many as they can.Raping, burning and beheading as they go.
If only the Palestinians hadn’t voted them into power in the first place, not that there have been any elections allowed for a long time.
I felt, and still feel that those wanting to talk about the history of the region should have a new thread to do this.Then those of us who know the history and/or simply want to comment on the current situation can do so.I and many others feel too raw about what’s happening on the ground, to as Candelle says, have cosy discussions on past history. Am sure it wasn’t done in any negative way, but feels to be a distraction away from the terrible news.

Oreo

You don’t need to go on about the history Whitewavemark2 unless you enjoy it, we’re all capable of looking it up if we’re interested from various sources.
This thread is for what’s happening right now surely to goodness.

History is massively important in undertanding where we have got to this tragically abominable situation.

I am VERY grateful to Whitewave for her hsitorical perspective.

merlotgran

^Yes, they would have known how Israel would react. Which is why, imo Israel shouldn’t have retaliated in the way they have^

How on earth did you expect them to react?

Wring their hands and say "Oh dear"

Isn't it part of Hamas's plan, to try to turn the West against Israel if they retaliate against the horrors they are carrying out? And some people are falling for it.
Hamas don't care if the people of Gaza suffer. They can't even agree with other Palestinian groups.

You're absolutely right, Hamas to not care one iota for the Palestinians under their authority. They have obviously spent weeks, probably months preparing for this onslaught, but not one minute preparing for the obvious reaction of Israel, no additional food, generators,fuel,medicine water,never mind providing bomb shelters or places of safety for the population. Those tunnels come to mind, like using the underground in WW2. Nothing it would appear has been prepared for for this obvious event for these poor Palestinians by their leaders who apparently are in Qatar!! Well that's fine for them, but for their citizens? Like Ww I too wish that these poor children could be taken out of Gaza to safety. The only people responsible for all this misery is Hamas both in Israel and in Gaza.

Israel is now about to seek revenge on the residents of Gaza probably killing more than Hamas have. Hamas will then seek revenge on Israel. This will continue until someone realises that war and killings do not bring peace they just lay the foundations for further wars and killings.

Yes, they would have known how Israel would react. Which is why, imo Israel shouldn’t have retaliated in the way they have

How on earth did you expect them to react?

Whitewavemark2

No it is an intent to obliterate Israel by Hamas. Hamas exist for that and that alone. Do not think that they care about the Palestinians they don’t.

Yes.

paddyann54

And thats the problem GG13 no one cares about the Palestinians !IF the world had stopped Israel when the landgrabs started then maybe these peoples would have learned to live together in peace .In my mind and in the minds of my fellow marchers for Solidarity Israel is and has been the agressor ,destroying lives for decades .When will they be made to accept the UN resolutions they have been ignoring for their own greed and the Palestinian suffering

There was a woman on the lunchtime news today whose parents, aged 85 and 83, have been taken hostage by Hamas.
She said her father was a volunteer, helping Palestinian people by meeting them and driving them to medical appointments etc.

It's ordinary people, good people, people on both sides, who are the ones who are suffering.

And thats the problem GG13 no one cares about the Palestinians !IF the world had stopped Israel when the landgrabs started then maybe these peoples would have learned to live together in peace .In my mind and in the minds of my fellow marchers for Solidarity Israel is and has been the agressor ,destroying lives for decades .When will they be made to accept the UN resolutions they have been ignoring for their own greed and the Palestinian suffering

Good news for the majority of people in Israel.

A unity government is being formed. Let us hope that the existing security minister looses his post.

I think a statement is being made tonight.

Whitewavemark2

No it is an intent to obliterate Israel by Hamas. Hamas exist for that and that alone. Do not think that they care about the Palestinians they don’t.

The nail firmly hit in the head 👍

No it is an intent to obliterate Israel by Hamas. Hamas exist for that and that alone. Do not think that they care about the Palestinians they don’t.

Yes, reprisals were expected but severely underestimated.

This is really a fight between Eastern and Western Values. The young people at the music festival were targeted because they are seen to represent the "loose" moral behaviour of the West; also for the kibbutz families with their modern ways. Isreal is really a Western style Country fighting for survival in a mainly hostile Middle East.

Boz

What did Hamas expect from a foolhardy action killing civilians at a festival and in a kibbutz. Gaza will now be destroyed for the Palestinans; Isreal will wipe it out and eventually move in. Cause and Effect, all the time.

It's almost as if ...

Grany

paddyann54

Well said Franbern I do not support the actions of Hamas in any way ,I also do not support the treatment of the Palestinian people since the inception of the Israeli state .Its has been decades of abuse ,largely ignored by the world .I march with Jews in a Solidarity for Palestinian group .I am not anti semitic I am ANTI the Israeli STATE goverment with appears to get more fascist year on year .There are Palestinian schools ,hospitals bombed often there are Palestinian youths shot dead on the streets atrocities committed against old people and young mothers .It gets NO COVERAGE form the media .These people are expected to sit down and shut up and accept the vile treatment with no recourse to justice .
If we complain we're called anti semitic ...yes even the jews in the group ...would we accept any other nation herding millions into a small space,stealing land and destroying lives in this way?
I repeat I AM NOT ANTI SEMITIC ,i DO NOT AGREE WITH HAMAS' ACTIONS .I AM pro Palestinian and believe they deserve help and support not people applauding Israeli government actions in cutting off their utilities ...again

Well said I agree with what you wrote.

so do I.

lixy

As if Lebanon didn't have enough troubles of its own already now Hezbollah have decided to join in too. Rockets are going over the border into Northern Israel.

Hamas have betrayed the Palestinians in Gaza. they must have known that the attack on Israel would result in drastic repercussions but seem to have made no provision at all to have water and food for the population. The Hamas leaders aren't even in Gaza - last seen somewhere in Qatar I believe.

It's very bleak.

Yes, they would have known how Israel would react. Which is why, imo Israel shouldn’t have retaliated in the way they have. The west is now honour bound to support a government that is now also slaughtering innocent people and I don’t feel comfortable about that. Condemning what Israel is now doing is not saying that what Hamas have done isn’t vile and unforgivable. But what happened to the Israeli defences on Saturday? How did this happen? Who’s behind it all? And where is it all going to end?

It's the blood lust I can't fathom what makes a 21st century man behead a baby this is the stuff of Genghis Khan. All of it on both sides, just awful!

Some ridiculous person in that virtue signalling shop Lush wandering around saying "aww your people have died" Stupid! callous idiot woman

lixy

As if Lebanon didn't have enough troubles of its own already now Hezbollah have decided to join in too. Rockets are going over the border into Northern Israel.

Hamas have betrayed the Palestinians in Gaza. they must have known that the attack on Israel would result in drastic repercussions but seem to have made no provision at all to have water and food for the population. The Hamas leaders aren't even in Gaza - last seen somewhere in Qatar I believe.

It's very bleak.

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