Israel, Hamas and now Hezbollah

Grany

tickingbird
Rachel Swindon. The woman leading Jeremy Corbyn’s Twitter Army.

Say no more!

She has an opinion like you and everyone else. She writes honestly about what she see happening. Giving sources Do you think that nothing she says has any merit. You loose the argument by attacking the person, not her words.

I haven’t attacked her so please don’t resort to putting words into my mouth. I pointed out who she is.

Hamas terrorists were reportedly high on a stimulant dubbed the “poor man’s cocaine” during their attacks on Israel earlier this month.

Captagon pills, a synthetic amphetamine-type stimulant, were found in the pockets of Hamas gunmen killed or captured by Israeli forces during the Oct 7 cross-border raid, Israel’s Channel 12 reported. The news channel said that the terrorists had taken the drug before committing their “inhumane murders”. More than 1,400 Israelis were killed during the attack.

Other recent reports have also suggested the Hamas terrorists may have been acting under the influence of drugs. A witness described the gunmen as having “crazy joy in their eyes, like they were high on something” while rampaging from house to house, killing people and taking hostages, according to The New Yorker magazine.

It is currently mostly produced in Syria, where trade in the drug is a financial lifeline for the Assad regime, generating billions of pounds a year, according to the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office.

Grany

tickingbird

Rachel Swindon. The woman leading Jeremy Corbyn’s Twitter Army.

Say no more!

She has an opinion like you and everyone else. She writes honestly about what she see happening. Giving sources Do you think that nothing she says has any merit. You loose the argument by attacking the person, not her words.

Grany it’s well documented that Jeremy Corbyn is a friend of Hamas.

You post repeatedly that you have pledged your unwavering allegiance to Jeremy Corbyn, every post on the Hamas/Israeli conflict that you post is straight out of the Jeremy Corbyn playbook

Urmstongran that would account for their heinous acts of barbarism

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The good and innocent Palestinians should rise up to assist Israel to destroy the Hamas terrorists"

The Palistinians are being bombed by Israel and killed they can not assist themselves let alone rise up to assist Israel to destroy Hamas even if they knew where they were these are innocent Palestinians you are talking about GG The Palistinians are under occupation and apartheid by Israel

Free Palistine.

Grany you will not even acknowledge that Hamas is terrorising and causing the needless deaths of innocent Palestinian civilians by using them as human shields.

I know my posts are repetitive, but I shall continue to post.

Hamas are terrorists and they have blood on their hands of Jews and Palestinians

FREE THE HOSTAGES

There is pressure growing on Israel from world leaders, including the U.K. to negotiate the release of the hostages. To do so, I think personally that, that would required a ceasefire, which Israel almost certainly would not agree to.

The worry of a regional war is growing by the day.

Wwm2 regional war is not the major worry surely? How do you define regional conflict? World War is a possibility?

Whitewavemark2

There is pressure growing on Israel from world leaders, including the U.K. to negotiate the release of the hostages. To do so, I think personally that, that would required a ceasefire, which Israel almost certainly would not agree to.

The worry of a regional war is growing by the day.

Hamas need to release the hostages immediately, then negotiations towards a ceasefire could commence.

ronib

Wwm2 regional war is not the major worry surely? How do you define regional conflict? World War is a possibility?

I don’t need to define it - it is what is being reported.

However, I would have thought it was self-explanatory.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

There is pressure growing on Israel from world leaders, including the U.K. to negotiate the release of the hostages. To do so, I think personally that, that would required a ceasefire, which Israel almost certainly would not agree to.

The worry of a regional war is growing by the day.

Hamas need to release the hostages immediately, then negotiations towards a ceasefire could commence.

Well, we can always hope for unicorns I suppose, meanwhile the hostages are suffering and dying.

I guess it depends on how much you think Hamas put on the value of human life. - very little as far as I can see - so bombing the hell out of Gaza and killing thousands of its population 50% of whom are children will matter not a jot to Hamas.

GrannyGravy13

Grany you will not even acknowledge that Hamas is terrorising and causing the needless deaths of innocent Palestinian civilians by using them as human shields.

I know my posts are repetitive, but I shall continue to post.

Hamas are terrorists and they have blood on their hands of Jews and Palestinians

*FREE THE HOSTAGES*

GG my support for the Palestinians is from what I read from amnesty international and other organisations including Bet'salam in Israel telling the world what Israel is doing to Palistinians denying them their rights everything is controlled by Israel. If the man Corbyn was PM there would be genuine efforts to have a peaceful solution there.

You cannot believe everything you read Israel has been accused of lying to bomb indiscriminately said by Daniel Levy senior adviser to Iraeli PM

Thats all I have to say. I have a busy day. Hamas was very wrong doing what they did. And the continued bombing by Israel is also very wrong, a war crime, collective punishment.

I wish for a peaceful settlement governments to get together find peaceful solution for Israel and Palistine.

Wwm2 World War also self explanatory.

Agree with WWM.In Germany there were many who were totally against the Nazi regime but they were unable to stop Hitler. Some shielded Jews putting their own lives at risk and some did lose their lives but many more were fearful of taking risks and looked the other way. I think anyway suggesting that the "innocent Gazans"should rise up against Hamas, should ask themselves honestly, what they would do. The idea of Gazans rising up against Hamas is ridiculous in the extreme, most will be struggling to keep themselves and their children alive. They do not have arms and they are not trained to fight. Hamas will not care if Gazans die, it plays into their hands and that of Iran. If this continues lots more children will die and most chillingly, those who survive are potential recruits to Terrorist organisations.

The only value to holding hostages is what benefit it can bring you, otherwise feeding and housing 200 people is just a drag on resources.
Therefore if Israel press them to release hostages if there is a ceasefire from both sides, then I can see hamas handing over some of them.Unlikely to release all of them at once.

Governments need to talk together, a peaceful solution find a solution. For Israelis and Palestinians.

Grany I dont think there's a single person on here who would disagree with that.
I'd include the UN amongst those who need to work harder towards a solution.

foxie48 I think you are right. At the moment Israel is almost certainly the best recruiter for extreme terrorists.

Every bomb that falls and kills more families is the best recruiter there is.

So over 2 million innocent Palestinians held as prisoners on the Gaza strip since 2007. Their access to food, water, fuel and medical care strictly regulated by the Israeli government, are apparently of no consequence, and just have to take their chances. They have I suppose the alternative of being killed or injured by the bombing, starving to death, or of dying of thirst or, being poisoned by contaminated water. As winter approaches they might freeze to death because there is no fuel.

But Hamas are seen as the bad guys.

There are no heroes in this conflict.

My pacifism has been questioned. Pacifists believe all wars are wrong but this is not a war. It is a series of war crimes committed by both sides.

As for Jeremy Corbyn I remember he has been much condemned for talking to the IRA. He has condemned the actions of Hamas. He is condemning the actions of Israel, but he knows that only by creating communication can peace be achieved. And only peace will save the thousands of civilians who are dying.

Grany

This is what I've heard a history.
The British government in around 191748 is responsible for the crisis. The Balfour Declaration stated that Jews could live in Palistine where Palistinians have lived for hundreds of years they also promised Palistinians that their rights would be protected. There were British soldiers there to keep the peace, but Britain did not stick to its mandate the promise that Palistinian rights would be protected and Israel took more and more Palestinian land. Then in 1948 British left and the catastrophe
happened thousands of Palestinians were killed more land taken, its been happening ever since. That is the sad history. Governments need to talk together, a peaceful solution find a solution. For Israelis and Palestinians.

Here's a little more in brief.

The Anglo/American Committee approved the American recommendation of the immediate acceptance of 100,000 Jewish refugees from Europe into Palestine. It also recommended that there be no Arab, and no Jewish State.
The Committee stated that "in order to dispose, once and for all, of the exclusive claims of Jews and Arabs to Palestine, we regard it as essential that a clear statement of principle should be made that Jew shall not dominate Arab and Arab shall not dominate Jew in Palestine"
Don't forget, this decision was made in the immediate aftermath of WW2 and the discovery of the horrors of the Holocaust.

The question of Palestine was then placed before UN and the vote went in favour of partition.

The UN needs to be more pro-active in bringing about resolution.

Britain just could not stay as occupiers in Palestine - would that have been right?

Callistemon21

Grany

This is what I've heard a history.
The British government in around 191748 is responsible for the crisis. The Balfour Declaration stated that Jews could live in Palistine where Palistinians have lived for hundreds of years they also promised Palistinians that their rights would be protected. There were British soldiers there to keep the peace, but Britain did not stick to its mandate the promise that Palistinian rights would be protected and Israel took more and more Palestinian land. Then in 1948 British left and the catastrophe
happened thousands of Palestinians were killed more land taken, its been happening ever since. That is the sad history. Governments need to talk together, a peaceful solution find a solution. For Israelis and Palestinians.

Here's a little more in brief.

The Anglo/American Committee approved the American recommendation of the immediate acceptance of 100,000 Jewish refugees from Europe into Palestine. It also recommended that there be no Arab, and no Jewish State.
The Committee stated that "in order to dispose, once and for all, of the exclusive claims of Jews and Arabs to Palestine, we regard it as essential that a clear statement of principle should be made that Jew shall not dominate Arab and Arab shall not dominate Jew in Palestine"
Don't forget, this decision was made in the immediate aftermath of WW2 and the discovery of the horrors of the Holocaust.

The question of Palestine was then placed before UN and the vote went in favour of partition.

The UN needs to be more pro-active in bringing about resolution.

Britain just could not stay as occupiers in Palestine - would that have been right?

The British only left Palestine because of the actions of Irgun and the Stern gang, two Zionist Jewish terrorist organisations who enabled the establishment of Israel.
Israel was built on terrorism. It is something you can be absolutely certain Palestinians and Hamas are aware of.

Glorianny

Israel was built on terrorism. It is something you can be absolutely certain Palestinians and Hamas are aware of.

No! Israel was built on the back of the genocide of 6 million Jews,

You can be absolutely certain that every Jew in the world is aware of that!

The first war over territory was in 1948, one year after partition in 1947, which the Palestinians say they never agreed to.

It hasn’t stopped since.

tickingbird

^Glorianny ^

Israel was built on terrorism. It is something you can be absolutely certain Palestinians and Hamas are aware of.

No! Israel was built on the back of the genocide of 6 million Jews,

You can be absolutely certain that every Jew in the world is aware of that!

An Israeli state was certainly proposed and agreed after. the genocide.
But can you explain to me why it required the assassination of an ambassador, the bombing of the King David Hotel, or any of the other Irgun ans Stern actions which took place in Europe and the Middle East? And what. were those actions if not acts of terrorism?

Britain left Palestine in s hurry because British soldiers were being murdered by Israeli gangs. The king David hotel was bombed causing more deaths.

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