Labour has won both byelections

I have spent the last couple of days just astounded at Starmers achievements, I never thought he would get this far so in this length of time. It is to be honest completely remarkable when we consider where we were. I always assumed he would be the kinnock of the current time.
I would quite like to understand Starmer as a person which I dont think we have yet, I knew who Blair was, warts and all.

The polls have risen 4 points in Labours favour this week.

So will the Tories hang on like grim death to the bitter end while throwing money around with reckless abandon in the hope of buying votes? Any forecast when that golden day will arrive? One thing is for sure the knives will be out and well and truly sharpened. Dirt searches will be in operation. They won’t care what state they leave the economy as problems will be laid atLabour’s door.

*apologies for misplaced comma.

Goodness, I had no idea you had so much respect for,, and belief inMargaret Thatcher's opinions Glorianny !

Kandinsky

*It is now more likely to be heard as an insult from the two- braincelled polititions of the far and very very far-right and those who think culture wars are really a form of political thinking*

Tony Blair said it.
Do you consider Tony Blair a far right politician?

Well Margaret Thatcher thought he was her greatest achievement (along with New Labour)

Identity politics is not interested in class or money, the most important dividers that's the issue. It ignores those completely.
I am also interested in how pretending Male sex offenders are woman fit into Daisys definition, when those decisions impact most on the most vulnerable in society. That's part of what Blair will have been talking about.
I dont think for one minute he cares much about that issue but he recognises an area to avoid in order to win elections. It appears from recent statements that Starmer agrees with him.

Joseann

I don't think the Labour Party is necessarily woke, but it is peripheral in this area and spends too much time on it. There are other inessential issues they major on about too in my opinion. I hope they get down to proper business and leave out all the rest.

They can be oversensitive. But then so can those whose lives have been enriched by conditions of entitlement, should anyone ever suggest those conditions be removed.

I don't think being or not being "woke" is a Labour leadership is issue. I do think being unable to escape the many-faced deprivations of being 'disentitled' is. I think it is Starmer's definition of "working class". He talked about it in his conference speech, refering to his sister. It is something he knows about, having been the only one of four siblings who had found away through a disincentivised world.

Whatever creates disincentives, it does seem a good thing to try and put it right.

Galaxy

Well I am centre left. We are quite used to people with no understanding of the issue calling us far right. It's hilarious. Whether I would be as rude to call the people who use the far right term 'two brain celled' is debatable.

While I question the labelling of 'far right' and 'far left' (who I thought were despised for being 'too woke') I agree with the 'two brain celled'. If people are just repeating culture wars dogwhistle phrases and can't even explain what they mean by them they seem to me to be a trifle hard of thinking...

Woke Politics are the politics of those who realise some people have been disentitled and are aware of social and political issues that can lead to such deprivation.

Thank you for the true definition, DAR

I think Starmer has backed off from it all. The reason I hate identity politics (a better description than woke I think) is it never pays any attention to class and money the real dividers in my view. Oh and as we have learnt very recently within the identity politics maelstrom some identities such as the Jewish identity just dont count.

It is now more likely to be heard as an insult from the two- braincelled polititions of the far and very very far-right and those who think culture wars are really a form of political thinking

Tony Blair said it.
Do you consider Tony Blair a far right politician?

I don't think the Labour Party is necessarily woke, but it is peripheral in this area and spends too much time on it. There are other inessential issues they major on about too in my opinion. I hope they get down to proper business and leave out all the rest.

Well I am centre left. We are quite used to people with no understanding of the issue calling us far right. It's hilarious. Whether I would be as rude to call the people who use the far right term 'two brain celled' is debatable.

Louella12

I'd be willing to bet my house on Labour winning the next election

OMG Are you mad? 😱

Politicians!

MaizieD

Kandinsky

Tony Blair has urged Keir Starmer to reject “woke” politics and present a programme for government that is “radical without being dangerous

Let’s hope he listens. But I doubt it.
Once labour get back in ( & they will win the next GE ) God help us.

What the bloody hell are 'woke politics'?

Woke Politics are the politics of those who realise some people have been disentitled and are aware of social and political issues that can lead to such deprivation.

It is now more likely to be heard as an insult from the two- braincelled polititions of the far and very very far-right and those who think culture wars are really a form of political thinking.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLKtnE1X_Ho

New Statesman chat between the two people who covered the by-elections. Very interesting insights including how the Lib Dem/Labour viewed "standing back" for the other, and the fact that by no means all Conservatives stayed at home. Includes some interesting stats.

Also a bit about The Compass Falicy (North South Divide).

What the bloody hell are 'woke politics'?

Ask Tony Blair. The most successful leader you’ll ever have.

( Although the faux ‘I don’t know what you mean’ is laughable )

MaizieD not everyone has a mortgage - downsizing etc.

The things that Blair with his political understanding wouldnt have got involved with in a months of Sundays.

Kandinsky

*Tony Blair has urged Keir Starmer to reject “woke” politics and present a programme for government that is “radical without being dangerous*

Let’s hope he listens. But I doubt it.
Once labour get back in ( & they will win the next GE ) God help us.

What the bloody hell are 'woke politics'?

ronib

Wwm2 stamp duty abolition/reduction on property is the most necessary ploy to kickstart a dead property market.

The property market is 'dead' because people can't afford the mortgages. It's not the initial cost that's the problem, it's the ongoing cost.

And with the Bank of England determined to stamp out any hint of increased prosperity the housing market isn't going to recover...

Tony Blair has urged Keir Starmer to reject “woke” politics and present a programme for government that is “radical without being dangerous

Let’s hope he listens. But I doubt it.
Once labour get back in ( & they will win the next GE ) God help us.

Grany can be relied on to post the current anti Starmer position. What s/he doesn’t add is the bullying of Labour councillors to resign in support of Palestine - to make clear their rejection of Starmer and Israel

Wwm2 stamp duty abolition/reduction on property is the most necessary ploy to kickstart a dead property market.