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Labour has won both byelections

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growstuff Fri 20-Oct-23 03:20:24

Just that.

Dinahmo Sun 22-Oct-23 21:10:52

ronib

Dinahmo where please is this declaration of intent?

Article in the Observer. AS is usually the case the "senior" Tories don't want to be named. They never do if they're imparting such information.

Callistemon21 Sun 22-Oct-23 20:38:53

I do like amethyst (not that I have any)

JaneJudge Sun 22-Oct-23 20:31:35

The necklace , that’s right, was more than I thought though

JaneJudge Sun 22-Oct-23 20:24:44

Callistemon21

Belarus

Do not watch Antiques Road Show whilst posting

The price of the pens was disappointing 😂🙈

Callistemon21 Sun 22-Oct-23 20:15:54

Belarus

Do not watch Antiques Road Show whilst posting

Callistemon21 Sun 22-Oct-23 20:15:10

Why are the UK and Belarus the basket cases of Europe?

I don't think we're quite in the same basket as Belaeus, varian!

oodles Sun 22-Oct-23 20:12:46

The Tory candidate made much of protecting the green belt. However so much of the green belt has been built on under the conservative administration and non greenbelt, with no additional infrastructure. He didn't do himself any favors bringing Priti Patel a few days before the election , not a popular woman.

Shinamae Sun 22-Oct-23 19:00:05

JaneJudge

I agree varian

So do I…..

JaneJudge Sun 22-Oct-23 18:53:48

I agree varian

varian Sun 22-Oct-23 18:51:46

For the UK to become like somewhere sensible - Holland or Denmark we would have to have a sensible and democratic Proportional Representation electoral system.

Why are the UK and Belarus the basket cases of Europe? - they are the only Europrean countries to insist on electing their governments by the totally discredited and undemocratic First Past The Post electoral system.

ronib Sun 22-Oct-23 18:02:58

Dinahmo where please is this declaration of intent?

Dinahmo Sun 22-Oct-23 17:54:48

ronib

Casdon well when I was mourning the sudden death of my brother, I was beyond declaring anything at all in advance so raw was my grief.
Politicians are people too.

Exactly but he has declared his intent

4allweknow Sun 22-Oct-23 17:06:28

I trust none of them.

Callistemon21 Sun 22-Oct-23 15:09:20

That did make me laugh, DrWatson 😂
A good summing up!

Although There is a saying that we get the politicos we deserve is very sad - we're not that naughty are we?

JaneJudge Sun 22-Oct-23 15:04:30

I feel a bit sorry for the genuine left handed Albanian lesbian social workers. There is bound to be a few bandying around

JaneJudge Sun 22-Oct-23 15:02:05

She has left a legacy. Not sure if it the one she had planned smile

DrWatson Sun 22-Oct-23 15:02:02

For CoolCoco and the many others babbling on here about those results (and here I must specify my total cynicism re politicos of all parties, seen many decades of evidence re incompetence and corruption) - sure, Tories are keen to keep on shooting themselves in both feet.

Folk on here should be old enough to know that Labour gets a turn now and again, does much change? MacMillan and Sir Alec Douglas Not-a-Public-Speaker turned voters to Wilson and later Callaghan, (with a disastrous dash of Ted Teef in the middle) and by 1979 a couple of million union members were so hacked off they brought in the wretched Thatcher!

She eventually got knifed by her own party, and a few years later Major - having given us her disastrous plan for train privatisation - duly got booted out (similar scenario to now) and we got the lovely, smiley Tony Bliar, all things to all men (his chief backer Mandelson - now Lord - got suspended so often by his own party for corruption we all lost count).

Thatcher's successor Major, along with henchman Heseltine, tried to bankrupt the country (look up ERM fiasco, or 'Black Wednesday') and they're now a Sir and Lord respectively!

That got us to Bliar, didn't he look great when he swept in (as Starmer may well do)? That got us to a couple of pointless wars, (still feeling the terrorism effects now) and his successor 'prudent' Gordon Brown trying to sell off our Gold reserves at bargain prices, as Labour's policies took the economy down the toilet (I recall the Grauniad groaning with the weight of all the local authority job ads, for left-handed Albanian lesbian social services help and the like!).

Labour could have got in before, but for their membership trying to present the unelectable Comrade Corbyn as a possible leader - and he could lead, perhaps a c'tee checking Hackney bus times with one-time Shadow Home Sec Diane Abbott would be about right?).

Starmer is no great shakes (a disaster at the CPS - ask Lawyers and Police from that period) and he was trying to sell, what was it, 6 possible Brexit policies in the 2019 election?!! But then next to Truss, and BoJo, a cat's hairball doesn't look so bad? There is a saying that we get the politicos we deserve, and on that basis, we must all have been very naughty. I suggested in about the 80s or 90s we should sub-contract our Govt out to somewhere sensible like Holland or Denmark, they could do a good job on about 2 days a week, cheaper and we'd have a much better country.

Overly cynical? Or just a realist?!

Callistemon21 Sun 22-Oct-23 15:00:49

JaneJudge

Can we stop with the ‘it will make no difference’ business. Mid Bedfordshire had a former MP that has spent more time on television than she has in her constituency. She hasn’t held a surgery since pre covid and she lived in Towcester. They now have an MP who is from there and lives there who will be active in their communities and serve them. I’m sure for the people of Mi Bedfordshire it will make a massive difference. It doesn’t matter what party they represent really. What matters is having an MP who actually works.

The conservative entry is already a PCC

Well said.

I already got pounced on for suggesting Nadine might be just a part of the problem.

JaneJudge Sun 22-Oct-23 14:46:07

Can we stop with the ‘it will make no difference’ business. Mid Bedfordshire had a former MP that has spent more time on television than she has in her constituency. She hasn’t held a surgery since pre covid and she lived in Towcester. They now have an MP who is from there and lives there who will be active in their communities and serve them. I’m sure for the people of Mi Bedfordshire it will make a massive difference. It doesn’t matter what party they represent really. What matters is having an MP who actually works.

The conservative entry is already a PCC

MaggsMcG Sun 22-Oct-23 14:40:07

It makes no difference really. Labour will probably win the next election and maybe even the one after that. Its time for a change which was made more likely by the recent behaviour of the Conservatives. I'm not holding my breath that things will get that much better just a different bad.

Oreo Sun 22-Oct-23 14:37:46

JaneJudge

I hadn’t realised there were so many random independent entries including an emperor 😂

I may have voted for him had I lived there, what’s not to like about an emperor of luurrrrve?😍

Oreo Sun 22-Oct-23 14:36:08

MaizieD

DaisyAnneReturns

Isn't it interesting that this is not being reported on the news at regular intervals Whitewave.

I wish Wwmk2 would give us more detail. I can't find anything about a minister resigning over fraud.

There isn’t anything.

JaneJudge Sun 22-Oct-23 14:34:56

I hadn’t realised there were so many random independent entries including an emperor 😂

JaneJudge Sun 22-Oct-23 14:33:04

CandidatesDescriptionVotes cast

Festus AkinbusoyeConservative Party Candidate12,680

Sid CordleChristian Peoples Alliance101

Prince Ankit Love Emperor of India 27

Dave HollandReform UK1,487

Emma Louise Holland-LindsayLiberal Democrats9,420

Ann KellyThe Official Monster Raving Loony Party249

Gareth MackeyIndependent1,865

Chris RooneyMainstream24

Cade SibleyGreen Party732

Alistair Luke StrathernLabour Party13,872 Elected

Alberto George ThomasHeritage Party63

Alan VictorTrue & Fair Party93

Antonio Daniel VitielloEnglish Democrats - "Putting England First!"107

JaneJudge Sun 22-Oct-23 14:30:12

No they got about two thousand votes? I’ll go and look for the figures