Labour has won both byelections

And more interesting. Think of all the threads we could have 😂

Doodledog

There will be a GE by default at this rate

It'll be cheaper 😁

Doodledog

There will be a GE by default at this rate

Imagine if one by one the seats became empty and were filled by Labour MP’s as you say😂
My Mum always says ‘many a true word is spoken in jest’.

ok

Doodledog

I'm neither attacking nor criticising. I am defending 'grannies' against unpleasantness, is all.

You most certainly did Doodledog. I wrote out of concern but that's not what you want to read so you don't.

There will be a GE by default at this rate

Nobody is ‘attacking’ at all, just different viewpoints which a poster should be able to either ask or answer.
Never mind, we shall move on.
If Peter Bone has to stand down as MP there may be yet another by election soon!

I'm neither attacking nor criticising. I am defending 'grannies' against unpleasantness, is all.

I'd rather not be talking about either. You and Oreo seem to be determined to attack and criticise so perhaps you can sort it out between you. I'm off out.

DaisyAnneReturns

^I have seen a lot of snide digs at older people on here lately. Ageism is the last acceptable prejudice, and I'm surprised that it is still tolerated, particularly on here, as GN is supposedly a safe space for the over 50s.^ Doodledog

I have certainly seen some members trying to tell others how to think and speak, but change happens. We can decided whether to stay or leave if it's not our cup of tea.

Whether each group is younger or older, I have no idea. Nor, it seems, do those who like to throw unfounded allegations around.

I don't really understand this post.

Are we talking about people telling others how to think and speak, or about generalisations about age?

Which unfounded allegations do you mean, please?

DaisyAnneReturns

^It is very lazy to assume that people are motivated to do things by their generation.^ Doodledog

Replying in your tone - that is such an arrogant comment. If, for example, you are looking at the differences between Millennials and Generation X, etc., the research may now tell you it is over-egged. It probably always was.

But when you look at the differences between familial generations - the young, the middle-aged, the old and the old old, the thoughts, actions, and tastes exhibited by members of each generation will be measurably different, as will political views, values, cultural taste and other many other areas.

Are we now supposed to ignore facts?

No, of course we aren't supposed to ignore facts. But saying that 'grannies' are 'aversed' (sic) to clicking on links is not a fact, is it? It is an assumption.

There are ways in which some older people will differ from some younger ones, but by no means all differences are down to age.

In what way was my comment arrogant, please?

I have seen a lot of snide digs at older people on here lately. Ageism is the last acceptable prejudice, and I'm surprised that it is still tolerated, particularly on here, as GN is supposedly a safe space for the over 50s. Doodledog

I have certainly seen some members trying to tell others how to think and speak, but change happens. We can decided whether to stay or leave if it's not our cup of tea.

Whether each group is younger or older, I have no idea. Nor, it seems, do those who like to throw unfounded allegations around.

It is very lazy to assume that people are motivated to do things by their generation. Doodledog

Replying in your tone - that is such an arrogant comment. If, for example, you are looking at the differences between Millennials and Generation X, etc., the research may now tell you it is over-egged. It probably always was.

But when you look at the differences between familial generations - the young, the middle-aged, the old and the old old, the thoughts, actions, and tastes exhibited by members of each generation will be measurably different, as will political views, values, cultural taste and other many other areas.

Are we now supposed to ignore facts?

Doodledog good post, I totally agree with every word.

I think that much depends on how a term is used (as always with language). Of course it is ok to refer to older people ('grannies' is arguably a different matter, though) in a discussion about differences in internet access. When talking about the propensity to click on links however, unless you are saying that older people are less likely to do so (a generalisation at best) then why bring age into it? The word 'grannies' is not neutral in that context, if ever it is, really - it's both dismissive and reductive.

The two things (internet access and willingness to click) are not remotely comparable. For one thing, everyone on here is, by definition, IT literate, or at least able to operate an Internet browser, and for another, I can't see why someone's grandparent status would make a difference to whether they click links or not, any more than their age would matter. Is a 40 year old 'granny' more or less likely to click on a link than an 80 year old who is childfree? Who cares?

It is very lazy to assume that people are motivated to do things by their generation. I explained my own motives for clicking or not clicking upthread, but others will have different ones. I have had the same basic rule since I was in my 30s and first started doing a lot online - if in company (including on the train or bus) the sound is off, so video links have to wait and stand less change of being viewed unless they are work-related in which case I make a point of watching them later. If a link is to a long article I may or may not have time to read it when I see it, as I am often working when online. Again, if I don't have a burning desire to follow it up later, there is a good chance that it will be missed, as the moment of relevance will have passed.

Also, people are warned about clicking links in case they are dangerous. I have stopped embedding links for that reason. I realised that people prefer to be able to read the url to see what is coming, so now show the whole thing, even though it spoils the look of a post. I'm not particularly cautious personally, but it's only polite to recognise that many people see things differently.

I have seen a lot of snide digs at older people on here lately. Ageism is the last acceptable prejudice, and I'm surprised that it is still tolerated, particularly on here, as GN is supposedly a safe space for the over 50s.

(and I agree that using 'culture wars' as an excuse for denigrating others is tedious, too)

I'm not sure who that was addressed to Jane but why would anyone want to "win" as a friends with someone who deliberately set out to make a personal attack using the excuse that "grannies" should not be called "grannies" on a forum which calls itself a network for "grans".

Not only that but this person is still insisting I denigrated what she terms as "seniors".

Will Oreo ever stop attacking me?

The pandemic showed that lack of access to the internet, for whatever reason, set people at a disadvantage. The two main groups affected by this are older people, and poorer people.

I would suggest this might be a topic for discussion on another thread but, according to Oreo, we may not do so - or even mention the disadvantages this causes.

How to win friends and influence people

I dislike the word "senior" when used about older people Oreo. We are not American. We are not of higher (or lower) rank than anyone else. I will, however, be happy to tolerate the use of the word by others because these things do not stay the same and we have several generations on here.

No one was being "denigrated" and a little less intolerance on you part would go a long way.

I think in this case DaisyAnnReturns it is hyper sensitivity, probably both from you and from me.
As Gransnet is set up mainly for older people and it seems mainly women, I hate to see seniors being denigrated on it, accused of not being able to use or access anything other than newspapers.
And like Galaxy I dislike the words culture war especially allied to the word ‘right’ if a poster has a different point of view.
We shall have to agree to disagree on this matter.

It's a shorthand "Galaxy", although I have to agree it's not a particularly elegant one (in either sense).

I am just fed up with people trying to define groups so the can either set one group against another or, as these people will put it "call out" someone because they have decided a once inoffensive word is now offensive.

How that can include "grannies" is beyond me. This was basically another personal attack.

I am centre left and hate the use of the word culture war to describe different views.

Oreo

I have simply noticed that in quite a few of your comments you mention, old people, grannies and so on which does come across as age bias.
Perhaps you don’t realise that you do this.
Older people including ‘grannies’ can and do navigate SM easily, blogs, vlogs included.You can’t possibly know that they are ‘averse’ to clicking on them.
I didn’t really expect you to be 25 btw but was puzzled as to why an older woman would be so dismissive of other older women.
Don’t worry I shan’t lose any sleep over it.

Just to round this off I don't think I have ever referred to "old people", although I will have, quite reasonably, talked of 'older' pensioners, etc.

Could this be an attack of hyper-sensitivity in this instance? Or just your usual attempt to stir?

This forum is called 'Gransnet'. We have all identified with it, maybe because of our age, because we are retired, because we have, haven't or may have grandchildren. Having self-identified in this way I can see no problem in the use of the word 'grannies' or is this another attempt to get words banned.

Is this, in fact, just another set up culture-war that we see so much from the right? Otherwise why the personal attack?

Oreo

I have simply noticed that in quite a few of your comments you mention, old people, grannies and so on which does come across as age bias.
Perhaps you don’t realise that you do this.
Older people including ‘grannies’ can and do navigate SM easily, blogs, vlogs included.You can’t possibly know that they are ‘averse’ to clicking on them.
I didn’t really expect you to be 25 btw but was puzzled as to why an older woman would be so dismissive of other older women.
Don’t worry I shan’t lose any sleep over it.

I know because have said so on here over the years Oreo. I am not inclined to make things up.

Ok

Grany

Casdon

Are you capable of seeing the irony in what you just posted Grany?

Well Casdon Starmer is not calling for a ceasefire, a pause, all parties should call for one. Where is the irony in saying that Starmer is not a man of principle in that You could say Starmer is supporting one side saying what he did, but then not backing a ceasefire is he scared of losing the Israel lobby backing. Explain

That’s not what I meant Grany.
You said ‘ What's principled about bombing innocents including children, no ceasefire but a pause then bombing again’.
It wasn’t Starmer’s principles, but your ending of the statement I was querying - both sides killed innocents but you ‘accidentally’ forgot to mention that,