Nearly 1 million children faced destitution in the UK in 2022..

Destitution is more than that it means that you do not have the means to ensure, warmth, food or the means to keep yourself clean. Your health outcome will be very poor leading to poor mental health, poor physical health, social isolation and poor behaviour.

It is now being recognised that food banks are becoming the modern equivalent of workhouses. And now we have a new category of deprivation which means that children are sleeping on the floor because their parents do not have the means to provide them with a bed.

And yet the two child benefit cap, which contributes to this appalling situation, is still popular and unlikely to be scrapped.

We have 5.2% known to be homeless in Australia. It seems there are more these days, especially since Covid. They count the ‘couch surfers’ as homeless. 3.8 million sounds very high, wondering where they get their figures? It would be very noticeable if it is true.

nanna8

We have 5.2% known to be homeless in Australia. It seems there are more these days, especially since Covid. They count the ‘couch surfers’ as homeless. 3.8 million sounds very high, wondering where they get their figures? It would be very noticeable if it is true.

nanna8 it is quite the opposite. People who are destitute are not noticed by society, by its very nature they are a “hidden” statistic.

Scrapping the cap on bankers’ bonuses will attract more people to our financial services industry which is a vital contributor to the economy. It will also bring in more tax revenue. It’s a good move for the economy.

The cap was scrapped by Kwarteng but only comes into effect today. I guessed someone would decide to make an issue of it and refer to those in poverty. We really don’t like people to earn a lot of money in this country do we, even though it means they pay shedloads of tax.

Germanshepherdsmum

Scrapping the cap on bankers’ bonuses will attract more people to our financial services industry which is a vital contributor to the economy. It will also bring in more tax revenue. It’s a good move for the economy.

The cap was scrapped by Kwarteng but only comes into effect today. I guessed someone would decide to make an issue of it and refer to those in poverty. We really don’t like people to earn a lot of money in this country do we, even though it means they pay shedloads of tax.

Oh yes! The old trickle down theory.

That was b….s when it was first muted and remains so.

The bankers aren’t taking money from the poor and are not being paid by the taxpayer, so what’s the problem? Do you think the tax they pay just goes into a black hole?

I don’t want to take the focus from such an important issue as childhood destitution, so will not pursue this, except to day that the tax will be largely be approx. At 21% and not the large level you are indicating, as they avoid this.

I also think that it is totally cloth-eared when so many people are struggling even if not destitute.

Sunak is not being very clever.

Bankers are employed. They pay tax through PAYE.

Parents have the primary responsibility for their children’s well-being., don’t they? If everyone only had the children their finances allowed, all would be well.The problem arises when they continue to produce more children, but then of course the welfare state is obliged to step in, as it does if people fall on hard times through no fault of their own.

GSM is correct. The bankers bonuses won’t take money from the ‘poor’.

Germanshepherdsmum

Bankers are employed. They pay tax through PAYE.

Most are self employed “ contracted” - a tax avoidance wheeze of course, but nevertheless a very lucrative one.

JenniferEccles

Parents have the primary responsibility for their children’s well-being., don’t they? If everyone only had the children their finances allowed, all would be well.The problem arises when they continue to produce more children, but then of course the welfare state is obliged to step in, as it does if people fall on hard times through no fault of their own.

GSM is correct. The bankers bonuses won’t take money from the ‘poor’.

Oh yes straight out of the Victorian school of “the undeserving poor” it has a long history that attitude. Underpinned the workhouses.

As a partner in a law firm I was self-employed. I paid tax at the same rates as everyone else.

JenniferEccles

Parents have the primary responsibility for their children’s well-being., don’t they? If everyone only had the children their finances allowed, all would be well.The problem arises when they continue to produce more children, but then of course the welfare state is obliged to step in, as it does if people fall on hard times through no fault of their own.

GSM is correct. The bankers bonuses won’t take money from the ‘poor’.

I entirely agree. And if they prioritised their children’s wellbeing fewer children would be living in poverty.

JenniferEccles

Parents have the primary responsibility for their children’s well-being., don’t they? If everyone only had the children their finances allowed, all would be well.The problem arises when they continue to produce more children, but then of course the welfare state is obliged to step in, as it does if people fall on hard times through no fault of their own.

GSM is correct. The bankers bonuses won’t take money from the ‘poor’.

Gosh. I wish we could all be perfect, like you JenniferEccles, in this perfect world. I guess children who become destitute through parental ill-health and inability to work, parental death, DV, should just suck it up and realise that they ‘deserve’ their sad lives because they chose to be born to the wrong people? Oh yes, the Welfare State is obliged to step in, but it doesn't provide enough for a normal, decent, life, does it? The number of families who just keep having babies they can't afford, either by accident or design, is vanishingly small. Though of course a number of Tory MPs are encouraging procreation because that will provide minimum wage fodder to allow us to get rid of immigrants.

Is it really true though, that bankers are motivated by greed and no other considerations? May not some of them be attracted to London because of its cultural and entertainment opportunities?
I think we would need figures to show how many bankers left the country when the cap was introduced before we can take it as a given that more would be attracted here solely for extra money.

We are an aging society but some of don't want to chip in and pay for babies born in larger families, but also don't like importing young people from other countries. Looks like we will all be cared for by robots then.

Germanshepherdsmum presumably you are of the school of thought, like the fortunately failed Tory candidate for Tamworth, that if you need state support you shouldn't have a mobile phone? Despite them being mandatory to keep in touch with your job centre, apply for jobs….

I don't resent bankers or indeed footballers from earning a lot of money but I do resent paying the wages of politicians who are content for some of our citizens to be destitute .

Your presumption is incorrect nahsma.

Germanshepherdsmum

Your presumption is incorrect nahsma.

How dare you suggest that prioritising children's wellbeing would solve child priority! You have obviously never made yourself ill looking after your children.

I didn’t suggest that it would solve child poverty but I’m sure we have all seen people who put their own desires first, to the detriment of their children - it’s nothing new.
Sadly growstuff I was only able to have one child and as an abandoned mother I had to work very hard to keep us - and made myself ill in the process.

Just like to point out that grandparents too are susceptible to ill health- it’s one virus after another caught from the little ones. Not that we mind too much… although norovirus was unpleasant.
Not too sure where this argument is going.

Me neither.