Israel and Palestine (thread 3)

It’s not acceptable for the IDF to say they were targeting a Hamas commander- they hit civilians in a refugee camp. They’re growing a new Hamas army by their actions

Just seen it, IDF have confirmed they targeted a refugee camp, absolutely deplorable.

It’s on the News now!

GrannyGravy13

Grany

lsraeli warplanes hit a densely-populated residential block in Jabalia camp with 6 bombs, each weighing a ton. Killing 400 Palestinians while hundreds of others are either injured or reported missing under the rubble.

Genocide

Ceasefire Now

Where are you getting your information?

Not sure, but that information does not tally with the AlJazeera report:

www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/31/israel-hamas-war-live-israeli-air-attacks-continue-across-gaza
www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/oct/31/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-latest-news-today-hamas-clashes-idf-gaza-aid-plan-failure?page=with:block-65411f488f08eea850f42516

Both sides are intransigent, it seems. ☹

If you want to see what's going on right now in Gaza just have a look on X. It's just murder.

Grany

lsraeli warplanes hit a densely-populated residential block in Jabalia camp with 6 bombs, each weighing a ton. Killing 400 Palestinians while hundreds of others are either injured or reported missing under the rubble.

Genocide

Ceasefire Now

Where are you getting your information?

lsraeli warplanes hit a densely-populated residential block in Jabalia camp with 6 bombs, each weighing a ton. Killing 400 Palestinians while hundreds of others are either injured or reported missing under the rubble.

Genocide

Ceasefire Now

I see The Pope is calling for a ceasefire

Katie59

Glorianny

70% of those who have been killed in Gaza are women and children. How on earth can that be "destroying Hamas"?

I have asked before what should people in Gaza who wanted freedom have done? They had been abandoned by everyone and left in "the biggest open air prison" in the world. How were they to escape?

The events of the last few weeks have been terrible, but the fault cannot blamed on only one party. Terrorism only prospers where there are grievances.

Of course they are women and children Hamas are using them as human shields.

How do you "use someone as a human shield" in an area where people are so crowded together? What are the people supposed to do? There are 2 million people in an area of 140 square miles.
London is 607 square miles with around 8million, so similarly inhabited.. No space to escape

Glorianny

If we continue to supply Israel with arms which they are using to commit war crimes doesn't that mean we are complicit? Saying we will not continue to supply arms might bring about a ceasefire.

That is somewhat naïve, sorry.

What do you think would happen then?

Glorianny

If we continue to supply Israel with arms which they are using to commit war crimes doesn't that mean we are complicit? Saying we will not continue to supply arms might bring about a ceasefire.

Well good luck with trying to get whoever is supplying Hamas and Hezbollah with arms.

If Israel stops now all it will do is give those to terrorist organisations time to regroup and rearm.

GrannyGravy13

I am thinking of the casualties and deaths of Israel and Palestine.

I cannot and will not have any sympathy or forgiveness for Hamas Terrorists, they knew the outcome of their barbarism the blood of innocent Israelis and Palestinians may ever be on their hands,

Yes, some of us can feel horror and think of the deaths on both sides of this conflict.

To be so dismissive of the horrific massacre carried out in Israel by Hamas, as some posters appear to be, is just very frightening, and, with such views even from people on here, I can see why Jewish people in this country are terrified.

Netanyahu is out for revenge and it is the poor civilians, women and children in Palestine, who are the victims.
I can understand that he wants to finish Hamas, but unfortunately it is doubtful that he will succeed; it will be like trying to behead the Hydra.

Where or how this will end I do not know 😥

If we continue to supply Israel with arms which they are using to commit war crimes doesn't that mean we are complicit? Saying we will not continue to supply arms might bring about a ceasefire.

Glorianny

70% of those who have been killed in Gaza are women and children. How on earth can that be "destroying Hamas"?

I have asked before what should people in Gaza who wanted freedom have done? They had been abandoned by everyone and left in "the biggest open air prison" in the world. How were they to escape?

The events of the last few weeks have been terrible, but the fault cannot blamed on only one party. Terrorism only prospers where there are grievances.

Of course they are women and children Hamas are using them as human shields.

Starmer set out clearly his views and expectations in this awful conflict.
I do not believe he opposes a ceasefire because he benefits from arms trade

America supply’s arms to Israel so does the UK, so Keir would not back a ceasefire, as RS does not back a ceasefire, so KS backs the establishment.

What Starmer also said is that Israel will have to answer for any/all war crimes it commits before an international court of law.

I am just reading that up to 50 souls have been killed by the Israeli army in a refugee camp.

70% of those who have been killed in Gaza are women and children. How on earth can that be "destroying Hamas"?

I have asked before what should people in Gaza who wanted freedom have done? They had been abandoned by everyone and left in "the biggest open air prison" in the world. How were they to escape?

The events of the last few weeks have been terrible, but the fault cannot blamed on only one party. Terrorism only prospers where there are grievances.

I am thinking of the casualties and deaths of Israel and Palestine.

I cannot and will not have any sympathy or forgiveness for Hamas Terrorists, they knew the outcome of their barbarism the blood of innocent Israelis and Palestinians may ever be on their hands,

Franbern I agree with you too.

Franbern I do so agree with you.

Today, I am thinking of human beings in Gaza buried under the rubble.

I am thinking of their joys, dreams, hopes & fears.

I wonder, if the dust ever settles, whether opponents of a ceasefire will look back and reflect on the cost of their inhumanity.

We need a ceasefire, now.

Millions across the world want a ceasefire now

America doesn’t Britain follows America

Starmer always sided with the apartheid state of Netanyahu’s Israel.

It’s odd because there he is in 2015 with Labour and Palestine and right beside him is a sign End The Siege

Another change from Starmer

We sit here and watch a genocide happening. It is horrific!!! Yes,what Hamas did at the music festival and in the kibuutz was disgusting and hrrific, but how many eyes for those eyes will and can ever make it right???

Far from destroying Hamas, the Israeli destruction is ensuring that any child that manages to crawl out of the destruction of his/her home leaving parents, g.parents and siblings dying behind them is well on route to becoming the future Hamas fighter. As this is obvious, it is the reason that the Israeli government is set on wiping as much of that Palestinian population of the face of the earth.

And the very deliberate lies being spead over here in UK. So one of my nieces sent me a photo of the London demo last weekend. Hundreds of thusands of proteters against this horrific war. Some had triedtodepict the deaths of a baby every 15 minutes (under Israeli bombardment), by laying out dolls wrapped in swaddling clothes. My niece had been told (and this was what was being spread around her Jewish commnity), that this was the Palestinians gloating over the deaths of the babies in the kibbutz!!!

The first casualty of war, etc..........

Yes, Whitewave. He did acknowledge that, for too long, the two state solution has been ignored by politicians - put in the ‘too difficult’ category. He seemed really up for moving forward with it - or at least opening the dialogue anyway. Let’s hope so🤞

Namsnanny

Will Hamas commit to a cease fire?

According to Starmer they will, because it will give them a chance to re-group and continue their terrorist activities.

That is why Starmer is only supporting a humanitarian break in activities, because he argues that for any progress to be made, Hamas must be destroyed.

I can understand his argument, but where I think the massive elephant in the room and one which everyone seems to be ignoring is that there is no apparent plan for post cease fire.

Unless the 2 state solution is dealt with immediately the terrorists will fill the vacuum and we will be back where we started.