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Covid Inquiry

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Grandmabatty Tue 31-Oct-23 15:36:31

I've been dipping into this periodically. I'm horrified by the statements as reported in main stream media.

MayBee70 Wed 01-Nov-23 11:37:18

MaizieD

ronib

MaizieD I wish DC would go back to helping on his family’s farm and stay away from politics altogether. It isn’t in this country’s interests to have such poor quality advisers in government. I think DC continues to meddle.

Cumming's family doesn't own a farm, ronib and he doesn't live up here.

He's been very low profile since he left Downing Street. I would imagine that he is probably involved in some sort of project to achieve world domination by manipulating people through their captured data. It worked really well for the Leave campaigns that he 'led'... I understand that he seriously believes that he is a world class genius...

I’ve been told that he’s living on Lindisfarne…

MayBee70 Wed 01-Nov-23 12:14:37

It’s hearbeaking listening to Ms MacNamara. I don’t know how people managed to continue to do their job in that environment. It’s making my blood run cold.

Iam64 Wed 01-Nov-23 12:21:38

What a difference between the calm, clear evidence from Helen McNamara and that of Dominic Cummings. It becomes clear why he used offensive language and misogyny in whatsap messages about her.

MadeInYorkshire Wed 01-Nov-23 12:41:16

Johnson and Hancock literally 'murdered' 26,541 of our elderly in just ONE month - April 2020, they changed the directives so that anyone elderly in hospital with a respiratory illness, regardless if it was Covid or not, was shipped immediately to a care home, where no-one could visit to see what was going on. Hancock has subsequently LIED to the Covid Inquiry, saying he hadn't heard of the drug Midazolam, yet here he is discussing 'a good death' with Dr Luke Evans where he discusses Midazolam - the 2 year supply talked about was used up between March and October 2020.
www.bing.com/videos/search?q=dr+luke+evans+and+hancock+discussing+a+good+death&&view=detail&mid=D28F3EF506C6B373221FD28F3EF506C6B373221F&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Ddr%2Bluke%2Bevans%2Band%2Bhancock%2Bdiscussing%2Ba%2Bgood%2Bdeath%26FORM%3DHDRSC4

Anyone who really wants to see the real picture should watch this documentary - and start questioning whether our Government really had our best interests at heart?

ugetube.com/watch/the-sequel-to-the-fall-of-the-cabal-part-19_x9qWCFv7k8MRQsB.html

Parsley3 Wed 01-Nov-23 13:20:45

I heard this on the radio this morning and even if it does originate from Cummings I wouldn't say that this exchange was out of character for Johnson. He is beneath contempt.

Writing on his blog, Mr Cummings said: "One morning in mid-January he [Boris Johnson] called me into his study.

"'Dom, I want to run something by you. Do you think it's ok if I spend a lot of time writing my Shakespeare book?'

What do you mean?

"'This f***ing divorce, very expensive. And this job. It's like getting up every morning pulling a 747 down the runway. [Pause] I love writing, I love it, I want to write my Shakespeare book'.

"I think people expect you to be doing the PM's job, I wouldn't talk to people about this if I were you..."

Bridie22 Wed 01-Nov-23 13:32:44

I am appalled at what I'm hearing from this enquiry, but im not in the least surprised!
Agree corporate manslaughter charges should be brought.

Marydoll Wed 01-Nov-23 13:39:54

I have been watching this all morning and am hooked.

I totally agree with the comments about Helen McNamara. Night and day compared to Cummings.

Siope Wed 01-Nov-23 13:43:55

I suspect that of a number of comments Ms MacNamara has made about Cummings, noting that he was a history graduate and was unable to understand the science will annoy him most (since it punctures his soi-disant polymath persona so neatly).

I also disagree about Johnson having - and maintaining - widespread support. Thanks to FPTP, his large majority of seats was obtained with a minority of votes cast, and I do t believe his popularity has improved since 2019. Gransnet, by the nature of its demographics, is not typical, obviously.

Things that have stood out for me in the current module of the inquiry, beyond the marked incompetence and dishonesty of Ministers: Williamson’s ideological hatred of unions exposing children, teachers and staff to serious illness; the idea that Frost could have been given a national security lead role; how many journalists are professing themselves surprised by the extent of Johnson’s mendacity, laziness, and procrastination, when people outwith the media (and some within, who’d worked with him) were screaming that information from the rooftops years ago; the extent to which the entire Cabinet was divorced from the reality of the electorate’s lives. Anyone who ever questions why having lived experience as a key factor in policy making is important should be forced to read any number of the written evidence to the Inquiry.

Mainly, I hope this module alone is enough to stop the oft-repeated nonsense about how Johnson/the Cabinet ‘got all the big calls right’.

Dickens Wed 01-Nov-23 13:52:16

Shinamae

MaizieD

Ilovecheese

It is horrible to know that this is the way our Prime Minister and his Government thought about people our age. As if we are disposable as long as the economy doesn't suffer. As if we have nothing to add to society or indeed the economy.

Just think of all the people our age who staunchly defended him on GNet hmm

Are any still willing to do so?

I am!! 😜

I'm intrigued Shinamae!

In spite of the mounting evidence that he lied, behaved in a cavalier manner, was incompetent, kept changing direction, and had little-to-no compassion for "the old"...

... you're still willing to defend him!

I admire your tenacity, but I'd love to know on what grounds you are willing to 'stand-by-your-man' (so to speak)!

Grandmabatty Wed 01-Nov-23 14:05:39

Shinanae I would hope that your post was tongue in cheek. I'm not sure anyone could defend Johnston after this inquiry. Ultimately the person at the top is responsible for the action of others.

HelterSkelter1 Wed 01-Nov-23 14:14:38

The enquiry is shockingly riveting. What is coming out is worse than I could possibly have imagined.
The conservative government cannot crawl back from this even if no blame is apportioned.
It is completely shameful.

MaizieD Wed 01-Nov-23 14:17:18

I think that Shinamae is deadly serious, and brave to stick her head above the parapet, but, like Dickens I'd like to know why she still supports Johnson.

Marydoll Wed 01-Nov-23 14:27:13

I too assumed Shinamae's comment was tongue in cheek!
I'm intrigued as too why she still supports this man.
Perhaps she hasn't listened to the enquiry.

Grannynannywanny Wed 01-Nov-23 14:36:37

There are certainly a few posters on the current thread about the GB news channel who are voicing their support for BJ and excitedly awaiting his arrival as a presenter on the channel.

Kandinsky Wed 01-Nov-23 14:55:33

A NHS nurse treating my 83 year old Dad said to me ‘people are living too long’ - so it’s not just BJ who thinks elderly people should accept their fate.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 01-Nov-23 15:04:01

Kandinsky

A NHS nurse treating my 83 year old Dad said to me ‘people are living too long’ - so it’s not just BJ who thinks elderly people should accept their fate.

But they are not the PM and in charge of the people’s welfare.

My question is, where does it stop?

What about the clinically vulnerable? Many of them are going to die.

What about the severely disabled? Many of them are going to die.

Remind you of another regime?

Iam64 Wed 01-Nov-23 15:06:44

Kadinsky -was the nurse being inhuman?
There’s some truth in her comment. Just because we can do something, doesn’t mean we should.

Do Not Recussitate has its place in a caring medical/family discussion

Callistemon21 Wed 01-Nov-23 15:11:36

Iam64

What a difference between the calm, clear evidence from Helen McNamara and that of Dominic Cummings. It becomes clear why he used offensive language and misogyny in whatsap messages about her.

I've not followed it because we've been busy so far today but I was very impressed with Helen MacNamara when she appeared in the Laura Kuenssberg programme, State of Chaos.

I have no words for Cummings that are printable.

Casdon Wed 01-Nov-23 15:12:30

Kandinsky

A NHS nurse treating my 83 year old Dad said to me ‘people are living too long’ - so it’s not just BJ who thinks elderly people should accept their fate.

Is that what you think yourself Kandinsky?

Marydoll Wed 01-Nov-23 15:15:48

Kadinsky, I'm unsure if the nurse was being inhuman, but realistic and stating a fact.
Looking at it from a clinical perspective, it could mean that people are living longer for a variety of reasons and consequently greater pressure is being put on the NHS.

During the pandemic, at the age of 65, I was advised that a DNR notice had been put on my file, due to multiple comorbidities.
It wasn't inhuman and I understood totally why.

Joseann Wed 01-Nov-23 15:17:17

I think we all knew BJ was out of his depth with the enormity of covid. While he had previously got by with his bombastic rhetoric, this was far more important and his analytical skills just didn't live up to the task.
What really concerns me, however, is that, if as a person in charge, you can't have a private conversation with an aid or a colleague, sometimes about your own private life, without it being broadcast to all and sundry, and twisted this way and that, then we have reached a very sorry impasse.

Callistemon21 Wed 01-Nov-23 15:17:39

Whitewavemark2

Kandinsky

A NHS nurse treating my 83 year old Dad said to me ‘people are living too long’ - so it’s not just BJ who thinks elderly people should accept their fate.

But they are not the PM and in charge of the people’s welfare.

My question is, where does it stop?

What about the clinically vulnerable? Many of them are going to die.

What about the severely disabled? Many of them are going to die.

Remind you of another regime?

But they are not the PM and in charge of the people’s welfare
But that nurse was directly in charge of his welfare whilst he was a patient in his/her care.

Grantanow Wed 01-Nov-23 15:22:58

Wasn't it Hancock who claimed to have thrown a protective ring around care homes? Is this the same Hancock who said he had a plan pre-Covid according to McNamara?

MaizieD Wed 01-Nov-23 15:24:56

Kandinsky

A NHS nurse treating my 83 year old Dad said to me ‘people are living too long’ - so it’s not just BJ who thinks elderly people should accept their fate.

We all accept that we will die at some time but for it to be expressed in those terms by the non elderly is just abhorrent.

It's not pragmatism; it's ageism.

Of course, as it turned out, it wasn't just the 'elderly' who died, was it? A great many younger people died, too. Very often the NHS staff who were treating the covid patients with totally inadequate PPE..

(And if I were going to be a human sacrifice, I'd rather it was my choice; not a government decision)

Kandinsky Wed 01-Nov-23 15:26:24

Is that what you think yourself Kandinsky?

Well I certainly think money should be spent on keeping younger people alive yes.
Choice between spending on a 48 year old or an 88 year old then there’s no contest - but maybe that’s what the NHS does anyway?
I know they stop breast & cervical screening at a certain age as they probably think older women aren’t worth it maybe?
But I do know the NHS has admitted an ageing population ( that medicine can now keep alive for so much longer ) is crippling them.
Also, don’t forget, flu has always killed 1000’s of elderly people each winter.