Covid Inquiry

Not in so many words, but she said it was 'clinically appropriate' to discharge patients with covid into care homes.

How could she possibly have believed that to be 'clinically appropriate'? To discharge patients with a disease known to be highly infectious, and with a high mortality rate in the elderly, into a setting full of vulnerable residents?

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I think what you have to ask yourself is whether in the circumstances the hospital staff should have prioritised Covid patients who stood the best chance of survival even if that meant discharging people who may have Covid home or to care homes. That’s how stark it was at one point. I’m not defending the actions, but I was still working at that point and I know that hospital staff were faced with extreme choices, that was the reality. When she talked about clinically appropriate she was relating it to making a choice between a rock and a hard place.

Casdon

Jenny Harries didn’t actually say that it was fine to discharge people into care homes Maybee, she said that a decision was taken in light of a huge surge in admissions to hospitals, that the hospitals should be used to care for the most sick who would benefit from hospital care. The consequence of that was that people would be discharged home and to care homes who were less sick, knowing that some of them may have Covid.

She’s the one who got into trouble for saying the shortage of PPE was down to misuse by nursing staff. I think she was sidelined for a while after that comment.

I agree that was a stupid thing to say, probably off the cuff. She wouldn’t have made a unilateral decision to say that people had to be discharged from hospital to make way for the influx of covid admissions though, the implications would be discussed in committee and the risks would be clearly understood.

the implications would be discussed in committee and the risks would be clearly understood

Good lord, Casdon. Do you seriously think that 'they' were that rational? Have you been following the hearings?

MaizieD

^the implications would be discussed in committee and the risks would be clearly understood^

Good lord, Casdon. Do you seriously think that 'they' were that rational? Have you been following the hearings?

Yes I have, and as far as the medical and technical input was concerned, yes, I do believe they worked together as much as they could, very much against the odds.

For those who haven t lost the will to live yet, - isn’t it surprising how all the government ministers giving evidence so far were all subjected to the failure of government at the top to appreciate just how brilliant they were and how under-appreciated their competence was

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Whitewavemark2

For those who haven t lost the will to live yet, - isn’t it surprising how all the government ministers giving evidence so far were all subjected to the failure of government at the top to appreciate just how brilliant they were and how under-appreciated their competence was

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Love it. Well said Whitewave.

Is this circus really going to go on for three years?
Please tell me I misunderstood.

maddyone

Is this circus really going to go on for three years?
Please tell me I misunderstood.

By the time lessons are learned, we might have another pandemic and still be unprepared!

maddyone

Is this circus really going to go on for three years?
Please tell me I misunderstood.

No, you haven't misunderstood. It's going on until 2026.

This is only the second module, there have been 6 announced so far.

covid19.public-inquiry.uk/structure-of-the-inquiry/

Oh Lord, I’ll have lost the will to live before then.

Many lost the possibility of choosing madyone. Tolerance of the process is the least they should be able to expect.

DaisyAnneReturns

Many lost the possibility of choosing madyone. Tolerance of the process is the least they should be able to expect.

Precisely.