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Homelessness is a lifestyle choice according to Suella!

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MayBee70 Sun 05-Nov-23 13:36:25

Germanshepherdsmum

I think she actually said that in many cases homelessness is a lifestyle choice, and I would agree with that - there are people who don’t want to have a fixed abode, often for reasons of mental health. There are places where a tent would be positively dangerous, and there is also the argument that it’s impossible to know what is going on inside and whether the occupant needs medical attention. I can see both sides of this, and no we don’t want encampments springing up in cities.

So you’re saying that it is in the best interests of a homeless person to sleep in a cardboard box rather than a tent in case they have a medical emergency? Do you not just think that Braverman just thinks that tents just make the problem more obvious? She’s also saying that most of these homeless people are foreigners. I’d like to see some statistics to back that up.

Oldbat1 Sun 05-Nov-23 13:35:28

Thatcher selling council houses has a lot to answer for.

MayBee70 Sun 05-Nov-23 13:32:04

It’s easy to get into a downward spiral. If you don’t have an address you can’t claim for anything. If you don’t have a phone or a computer you can’t claim fir anything. I suggest that everyone that thinks living on the streets is a lifestyle choice watches I Daniel Blake.

Dinahmo Sun 05-Nov-23 13:30:49

Witzend

While God knows I’m no fan of the Tories, can I just point out that buy to let (and therefore private landlord-ism) first began to boom under Gordon Brown, when he abolished mortgage interest relief for owner occupiers, but retained it for buy to let.

And despite their endless moaning about it, Labour had 13 years during which to repeal the Right to Buy act, but they didn’t.

I can only think that they thought that a boom in private rentals would absolve them from any need to take too much action over providing new social housing, or maintaining what there already was.

Of course nobody foresaw the massive rise in house prices and now rents, too, not that these are by any means confined to the U.K.

Tax relief for landlords was kept because they were running a business. If I, as a business owner, decide to buy premises for my business, I am entitled to claim mortgage interest at my marginal tax rate. Tax relief for landlords was restricted to the BR w.e.f April 2017 and the method in which the relief was given has gradually changed.

maddyone Sun 05-Nov-23 12:57:08

I think drugs and alcoholism are at the root of this. I don’t know what the answer is though.

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 05-Nov-23 12:54:20

I think she actually said that in many cases homelessness is a lifestyle choice, and I would agree with that - there are people who don’t want to have a fixed abode, often for reasons of mental health. There are places where a tent would be positively dangerous, and there is also the argument that it’s impossible to know what is going on inside and whether the occupant needs medical attention. I can see both sides of this, and no we don’t want encampments springing up in cities.

MaizieD Sun 05-Nov-23 12:47:45

I have read more than just the headline , what she implied was that we shouldn’t allow tent cities to pop up in and around our major cities. This is not an unreasonable want in the 21st Century.

Taking the tents away isn't going to do anything to stop the rough sleepers, it'll just be cardboard box cities instead.

Witzend Sun 05-Nov-23 12:45:29

While God knows I’m no fan of the Tories, can I just point out that buy to let (and therefore private landlord-ism) first began to boom under Gordon Brown, when he abolished mortgage interest relief for owner occupiers, but retained it for buy to let.

And despite their endless moaning about it, Labour had 13 years during which to repeal the Right to Buy act, but they didn’t.

I can only think that they thought that a boom in private rentals would absolve them from any need to take too much action over providing new social housing, or maintaining what there already was.

Of course nobody foresaw the massive rise in house prices and now rents, too, not that these are by any means confined to the U.K.

MayBee70 Sun 05-Nov-23 12:37:27

She’s comparing the UK with San Francisco which does have a problem with rough sleepers. But the problem with San Francisco is it’s part of a country that doesn’t have a NHS or, from what I can gather, a social care system. Has it occurred to her that this country, thanks to her government, is going the same way as America. I still can’t get my head around her comments. As Home Secretary she’s making Priti Patel look like Mother Theresa. I was told recently but haven’t checked the validity if it that, when a refugee is granted settled status they then have 7 days to find new accommodation etc. I don’t know how much help (if any) they receive. As James O’Brien said, there’s a problem with homeless people living in tents so this governments solution is ‘take away the tents’! Almost unbelievable. And this woman is a Buddhist!

GrannyGravy13 Sun 05-Nov-23 12:35:50

I think the main problem is that the majority of hostels and/or temporary accommodation will not allow those with alcohol or drug addictions in. If these troubled souls could and indeed want to access help for their addictions it is a step in the right direction.

People with addictions have to want to be helped, it is impossible to help an addict if they are unwilling, whether they be on the pavement or in a mansion.

I have read more than just the headline , what she implied was that we shouldn’t allow tent cities to pop up in and around our major cities. This is not an unreasonable want in the 21st Century.

BlueBelle Sun 05-Nov-23 12:28:29

Has this woman no grams of human kindness?
No not even a smidgen I m alright Jack She s a caricature of a human
Hateful hopefully she ll be gone soon I sincerely hope 🤞🏼

CvD66 Sun 05-Nov-23 12:26:17

Under this Tory period in power, homelessness has increased by 75% (271k in Jan 2023 according to Shelter) due in part to high rents and other costs of living, reduced mental and social service support and other Tory cuts. Our beloved Home Sec has decided homelessness is a lifestyle choice. In addition to her natural callousness, she now intends to prevent charities from giving tents to homeless people. Has this woman no grams of human kindness?
Notably under the last Labour government, homeless figures fell from just over 100k to 50k