Should any marches around or near the Cenotaph this weekend not be allowed?

I am now confused.

TR and his mob were purportedly there to "protect the Cenotaph" which commemorates the service men and women killed, in part, by the Nazis.

So why were some of them wearing swastikas and making Nazi salutes? Have I missed a vital bit of this? Or are they perhaps not the most educated members of society.

A banner being carried on the march

peace for Palestine, peace for Israel, peace for the world

Sums up the feeling of the day.

The police can't just ban a March they have to have just cause and until there is some sort of occurrence that does break the law or they have evidence that there will be some disturbance they have to accommodate a march. Not as simple as we all think. Perhaps we should adopt a bit of the French, Italian ways of policing marches and have riot police, water cannons on the routes to deal with any disturbance.

Suella Braverman has been accused of fuelling far-right violence after supporters of the activist Tommy Robinson and football hooligans broke through police lines just moments before the two-minute silence on Armistice Day.

"It’s a day for remembering those who died in the service of their country, not for marching up and down and complaining. "

Ye gods, what a stupid thing to say. It's march in protest about an abominable state of war. And frankly, what better day to do it? And isn't it appalling that such a protest is necessary? Think on that while you're remembering those who died for others' freedoms. Too many in the world are still suffering.

Young Jewish man who had been on the March - impressive and articulate in his argument.

Anniebach

And banners of hatred of Jews are acceptable?

No. They are not. Nor are they representative of the vast majority of those who took part in the peace march.

But hey ho! You are entitled to your perspective.

Did you not see the knuckle-dragging morons?

And banners of hatred of Jews are acceptable?

For myself (just before I disappear into the kitchen to bake my customary weekend cake) I watched the ceremony this morning at 11.00 and was pleased that it was as respectful and dignified as it normally is, and there were no marchers from any persuasion evident.
I shall watch again tomorrow.

Well having just watched the disgraceful behaviour of louts waving the St George’s flag and attacking police it is obvious who are the true hate merchants.

Thank you for your apology Froglady, it is appreciated.

Germanshepherdsmum

That was not the way I read maddy’s post froglady. It’s patently obvious that not everybody taking part in a march would have committed hate crimes. What she said was perfectly correct.

Yes, I can see now that I misunderstood the post and have apologised for thst.

maddyone

Froglady

I said,
people who have been marching on weekends have committed hate crimes by calling for Jews to be eliminated

They did!

Neither did I say all people on the marches were calling for Jews to be eliminated, but you interpreted it to mean all people. Perhaps take time to consider in future what exactly has been written and meant before jumping in quite so offensively.

Maybe we both could learn from this?
I appreciate now that you didn't mean all of the marchers, but when I read it, that was the impression I got.
I apologise for my misunderstanding of your post.

Braverman’s army is not the force she expected i think, for which we should all be grateful.

Thank you for your clarification GSM.

Froglady

I said,
people who have been marching on weekends have committed hate crimes by calling for Jews to be eliminated

They did!

Neither did I say all people on the marches were calling for Jews to be eliminated, but you interpreted it to mean all people. Perhaps take time to consider in future what exactly has been written and meant before jumping in quite so offensively.

galaxy I think in order to understand your argument you need to expand on what you are saying. For example - what sort of trouble? What do the majority if the public support?

I’m not sure i quite understand you?

2018 the Guardian

Jeremy Corbyn has said he was present but not involved at a wreath-laying for individuals behind the group that carried out the Munich Olympic massacre, a partial admission that has led to a row with Israel’s prime minister.

The Labour leader had been asked if Palestinian leaders linked to the Black September terror group were also honoured at a memorial event he attended in Tunisia in 2014, at which victims of the 1985 Israeli airstrike in Tunis were remembered.

Corbyn said “a wreath was indeed laid” for “some of those who were killed in Paris in 1992” and added in response to a question: “I was present at that wreath-laying, I don’t think I was actually involved in it.”

That was not the way I read maddy’s post froglady. It’s patently obvious that not everybody taking part in a march would have committed hate crimes. What she said was perfectly correct.

I cant describe how much trouble we are in here. People think that the majority of people agree with the 'peace' marches (because the ones who do are noisy and have some power) if the figures I am seeing are true this is overwhelmingly not the case. We are in a situation, and have been for a long time where those with access to power have zero understanding of the majority of the public. That is unlikely to end well.

Joseann

President Macron did not say that Israel's bombings were breaking international humanitarian law, so not illegal. He made it perfectly clear he is not a judge. Just he is calling for a ceasefire.

you are right, he stopped at saying that directly, but if you listen again, this is clearly what he was saying- that Israel's Defence has to abide by International law.

Tommy Robinsons supporters remind me of those football hooligans that used to travel round the world causing trouble. Neither of them really interested in the cause they purport to support but just going anywhere that can get them into a fight.

maddyone

froglady
I find your response to me both offensive and uninformed.
And exceedingly rude!

My post was neither offensive nor uniformed. I expressed a different point of view to you. In this country that is allowed. I didn’t speak about you or say anything with regard to you. However you chose to be rude and offensive to me. Having a different opinion from you is neither offensive nor uniformed, it is simply different.

You said "people who have been marching on previous weekends have committed hate crimes by calling for
Jews to be eliminated"
If you had put "some people" then I wouldn't have taken umbrage with your post, but you didn't and your post read, in my opinion, that everybody taking part in the marches had committed hate crimes, etc, etc.
That was the point I was trying to make, not everybody on the marches hold those views.

Yes I am sure he did say that. Their handling of the last few weeks has been interesting to say the least.
I dont even know what definition people are using with regard to peace. People have used it on here to describe marches which have included three arrests for terrorism related offences.