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Should any marches around or near the Cenotaph this weekend not be allowed?

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maddyone Wed 08-Nov-23 09:58:48

Following the defacing of a Cenotaph in Rotherham yesterday, would it be advisable for the police to rule that marches in or around the area of the Cenotaph should not be allowed, this weekend only?
A poppy seller was attacked by people in a huge crowd this week, people who have been marching on previous weekends have committed hate crimes by calling for Jews to be eliminated. Should the sanctity of the Cenotaph and the Remembrance Service be at the mercy of the marchers to choose to do the right thing? Why was a Cenotaph thought to be a legitimate target in Rotherham?
Surely those who live in our liberal democracy should understand why this weekend is particularly special to so many people. Those of us who live in this country, a liberal democracy, should understand that compared to so many people in the world, we are very lucky to live in a country that affords us great freedoms, including the right to protest peacefully. Peaceful protest however, does not include the right to call for the deaths of other people, to attack poppy sellers or others, or to deface public buildings.
Why are the London police refusing to use the laws that are already available to ban any marching around this area for for this one weekend?

* [Typo in the title has now been edited by GNHQ]

Anniebach Mon 13-Nov-23 13:49:49

Yes of little brain, they should have worn headdresses , covered their faces and carry anti Semitic banners

Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-Nov-23 13:17:48

OK I’m fine with Thug😄

Thug it will be - but you must admit they appear to be people of little brain.

Engerland!!!

Callistemon21 Mon 13-Nov-23 11:56:50

I do wish posters would stop using the term "knuckle draggers" to describe the extreme right thugs such as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and his group.

Some people seem to think it is a suitably worse description than thug which in fact means a violent, aggressive person, especially one who is a criminal.
It is not.

Thug is more apt than knuckle dragger.

It is disrespectful to those in the animal world such as chimpanzees, gorillas and others which do walk on their knuckles. Knuckle draggers are no more peculiarthan bipeds like humans and kangaroos, as were some dinosaurs.

This is not a joke btw.
Every time I read it, it grates.

ronib Mon 13-Nov-23 11:44:06

Or the immaculate conception?

Callistemon21 Mon 13-Nov-23 11:42:51

maddyone

Thank you ronib.
Now I don’t know what TIC means either.

It means a nervous twitch

ronib Mon 13-Nov-23 11:39:28

MaizieD my thoughts are that the government is out of step with the country and the government doesn’t reflect the silent majority!
At the moment it’s hard to think of who the government does represent but they are obviously working on it with all the shuffling around.

MaizieD Mon 13-Nov-23 11:27:09

ronib

MaizieD

So, no evidence at all of a 'silent majority' supporting Braverman?

I'm relieved...

MaizieD the government is not the silent majority. If Kemi Badenoch is appointed Home Secretary there really is something fishy in Westminster. Wait and see.
Of course SB doesn’t mind being sacked as it happens regularly. I think she has leadership aspirations.

There are times when I find your thought processes incomprehensible, ronib.

Where did I say that the government were the 'silent majority'?

25Avalon Mon 13-Nov-23 11:26:10

Remember Cameron with his LOL? Well LOL he’s back.

25Avalon Mon 13-Nov-23 11:24:53

I thought it might mean Roars of F**** Laughter.

maddyone Mon 13-Nov-23 11:11:17

Thanks again ronib.

ronib Mon 13-Nov-23 11:03:51

maddyone Tongue in Cheek
Probably

maddyone Mon 13-Nov-23 10:57:58

Thank you ronib.
Now I don’t know what TIC means either.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 13-Nov-23 10:52:55

You and me both eazybee. It seems Quokka likes doing this. TIC on another thread. I’m not a fan of text speak.

ronib Mon 13-Nov-23 10:50:29

Roll on floor laughing.
Only we’re not.

maddyone Mon 13-Nov-23 10:49:00

But what does it mean?

eazybee Mon 13-Nov-23 10:47:37

ROLF?
I am increasingly irritated by people who cannot be bothered to type the words they mean.
Laziness.

maddyone Mon 13-Nov-23 10:07:53

What’s ROFL?

ronib Mon 13-Nov-23 10:01:09

A touch emotional Quokka?

Quokka Mon 13-Nov-23 10:00:49

25Avalon

I’m not saying she shouldn’t have gone but all this chopping and changing doesn’t inspire confidence in the government, quite the reverse in fact.

Confidence in this government?

ROFL

Quokka Mon 13-Nov-23 09:59:23

ronib

Nigel Farage suggests that the majority of voters are behind SB.
A long time until the General Election so all water under the bridge by then…..

Well Nigel, we’ve seen her supporters’ ‘defending the cenotaph’, attacking the police and shouting racial abuse. Knuckle-dragging, flag-waving, foul-mouthed football hooliganism clutching cans of lager and hyped up on drugs.

The pride of British manhood!

25Avalon Mon 13-Nov-23 09:13:01

I’m not saying she shouldn’t have gone but all this chopping and changing doesn’t inspire confidence in the government, quite the reverse in fact.

choughdancer Mon 13-Nov-23 08:58:42

Dinahmo

It's no wonder that Jewish people living in the UK should be worried many people, including several on here conflate antisemitism with anti Zionism. There is a big difference.

I think that this is a crucial point. Anti-Semitism and Anti-Zionism are NOT the same thing!

I belong to two organisations that show that many Jewish people actively oppose the current Israeli government, and support the rights of Palestinians. www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/ This organisation is based in the US, and jfjfp.com/ based in the UK.

Both are sources of information about the situation, and this is a good example: jfjfp.com/a-brief-history-of-the-netanyahu-hamas-alliance/

ronib Mon 13-Nov-23 08:54:33

MaizieD

So, no evidence at all of a 'silent majority' supporting Braverman?

I'm relieved...

MaizieD the government is not the silent majority. If Kemi Badenoch is appointed Home Secretary there really is something fishy in Westminster. Wait and see.
Of course SB doesn’t mind being sacked as it happens regularly. I think she has leadership aspirations.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-Nov-23 08:49:06

The right wingers will be organising😄. Good to see a government so United.

Vintagewhine Mon 13-Nov-23 08:48:40

Thank goodness for that. There have been some vile people in politics who appeal to some and have been in positions of importance. She was using her position to further her own ambitions rather than for the good of the population as a whole. I think if she wants to form a very Right Wing party, she should go ahead and do it. Some will follow her but it won't destroy the conservative party it will be short lived chaos but perhaps it would be better for this country to go through that and definitely better for the Tories in the long run. I'm not a conservative voter but we need our political parties to be functioning well regardless of whether they are in power or not.