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Should any marches around or near the Cenotaph this weekend not be allowed?

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maddyone Wed 08-Nov-23 09:58:48

Following the defacing of a Cenotaph in Rotherham yesterday, would it be advisable for the police to rule that marches in or around the area of the Cenotaph should not be allowed, this weekend only?
A poppy seller was attacked by people in a huge crowd this week, people who have been marching on previous weekends have committed hate crimes by calling for Jews to be eliminated. Should the sanctity of the Cenotaph and the Remembrance Service be at the mercy of the marchers to choose to do the right thing? Why was a Cenotaph thought to be a legitimate target in Rotherham?
Surely those who live in our liberal democracy should understand why this weekend is particularly special to so many people. Those of us who live in this country, a liberal democracy, should understand that compared to so many people in the world, we are very lucky to live in a country that affords us great freedoms, including the right to protest peacefully. Peaceful protest however, does not include the right to call for the deaths of other people, to attack poppy sellers or others, or to deface public buildings.
Why are the London police refusing to use the laws that are already available to ban any marching around this area for for this one weekend?

* [Typo in the title has now been edited by GNHQ]

Oreo Sun 12-Nov-23 18:18:29

You believe what you want to MaizieD and so will I.wink

Anniebach Sun 12-Nov-23 18:18:18

Why didn’t the police arrest some of the racist banner holders

lemsip Sun 12-Nov-23 18:00:05

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12739659/Met-Police-hunt-hate-crime-suspects-pro-Palestine-march.html

read for yourselves if you want

MaizieD Sun 12-Nov-23 17:54:20

Oreo

Fleurpepper do stop speaking as if you know what the vast majority of Jews in Israel want as you have no clue.

What bit of Friends from Israel ....etc in Fp's post do you not understand, Oreo?

Callistemon21 Sun 12-Nov-23 16:58:48

And that the hostages have been forgotten, as is evident from some posts on here.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 12-Nov-23 16:58:30

Our best friends are Jewish, live in U.K., they are fearful.

I quote

We will not support a ceasefire until all the hostages who were brutally dragged from their homes on 7/10 are released unharmed

^ Once this is done, the talking can begin^

Callistemon21 Sun 12-Nov-23 16:57:59

maddyone

I hadn’t seen the placard that was shown. I’m pleased I’ve seen it as it informs me of what is happening. It shouldn’t be hidden from view so people don’t know what happened yesterday.

Merlotgran you are very wise.

My Jewish friends who live in America (one is Israeli but lives in America, the other American) do not support Netanyahu, but they do support the IDF after the terrible massacre on 7/10. They are shocked and extremely angry about what happened that day. They support no ceasefire until the hostages are released. Just one couple out of the whole world, but I’m reporting accurately and honestly on their feelings.

I find it concerning that the evil murders and massacres by Hamas on 7/10 might be airbrushed out of history by some.

Iam64 Sun 12-Nov-23 16:56:50

Fleurpepper, it’s also worth remembering that Netanyahu is the elected leader of the only democratic state in the regionI’m not a fan, none if my Jewish friends voted, or would vote for him. Enough people did though. We can only hope that changes before long

maddyone Sun 12-Nov-23 16:54:00

I hadn’t seen the placard that was shown. I’m pleased I’ve seen it as it informs me of what is happening. It shouldn’t be hidden from view so people don’t know what happened yesterday.

Merlotgran you are very wise.

My Jewish friends who live in America (one is Israeli but lives in America, the other American) do not support Netanyahu, but they do support the IDF after the terrible massacre on 7/10. They are shocked and extremely angry about what happened that day. They support no ceasefire until the hostages are released. Just one couple out of the whole world, but I’m reporting accurately and honestly on their feelings.

Oreo Sun 12-Nov-23 16:51:03

Haha growstuff but isn’t that where they sent Pritti Patel?🤪

Oreo Sun 12-Nov-23 16:49:51

You have comments from some friends in Israel Fleurpepper that bit of your comment I can accept. Not much else.

growstuff Sun 12-Nov-23 16:46:33

Callistemon21

Oreo

I think Suella Braverman will be ‘shuffled’ pretty soon.I do hope so.

What to?

Not Education, please .....

Governor of the Pitcairn Islands (or somewhere).

Fleurpepper Sun 12-Nov-23 16:37:11

Oreo

Fleurpepper do stop speaking as if you know what the vast majority of Jews in Israel want as you have no clue.

I have never live in Israel. I base comments on friends from Israel who do have a clue- massive clues. And figures that show that Netanyahu does NOT have the support of the majority in Israel, nor among Jews around the world. And who are terrified in so many ways about what is happening in Gaza, and what it will eventually be blamed on Jews in Israel and around the world.

What do you think will happen next? When the war is over (if ...). Do you think Palestinians will accept the loss of the last bits of the country where they were still sort of allowed to live, with apartheid rules? Do you think the Hamas movement will just die out with their bombed leaders? Surely cou can't be so naive.

There is nothing antisemitic in opposing what Netanyahu is doing in Gaza and the West Bank, in opposing illegal settlements and expansion, by the most cruel and terrible of ways. This has nothing to do with 'Jews' but with Netanyahu. But those who support him will risk being tarred with the same brush. If you support him, you have to take responsibility, and become part of it.

ronib Sun 12-Nov-23 16:34:56

I hope not Oreo.

Oreo Sun 12-Nov-23 16:22:09

A sideways promotion for Suella?😄 I think Sunak will have to act soon on this.

Oreo Sun 12-Nov-23 16:20:40

merlotgran very wise.

Oreo Sun 12-Nov-23 16:19:28

Whitewavemark2

Oreo

I hadn’t seen it Whitewavemark2 and maybe these placard holding people should be called out when they are so offensive.

It was mentioned on this thread earlier on, but not copied - there was absolutely no need to do so. Why do you need to see it? It is in my opinion too offensive to be copied and viewed.

Sometimes things shouldn’t be swept under the carpet, so yes show it, and I hadn’t seen it mentioned earlier in any case.

Devorgilla Sun 12-Nov-23 16:18:24

All being well the lady will be relieved of her duties tomorrow and either relegated to the back benches or a very minor role elsewhere. We can but hope.

ronib Sun 12-Nov-23 16:17:01

You are all shuffling the wrong person. Definitely shuffle Gove - female instinct.

merlotgran Sun 12-Nov-23 16:13:59

Oreo

Fleurpepper do stop speaking as if you know what the vast majority of Jews in Israel want as you have no clue.

I have extended family members in Israel and take most of fleurpepper’s comments with a pinch of salt.

silverlining48 Sun 12-Nov-23 16:13:22

Shuffled out through the back door hopefully

Callistemon21 Sun 12-Nov-23 16:12:06

Oreo

I think Suella Braverman will be ‘shuffled’ pretty soon.I do hope so.

What to?

Not Education, please .....

Whitewavemark2 Sun 12-Nov-23 15:59:38

Oreo

I hadn’t seen it Whitewavemark2 and maybe these placard holding people should be called out when they are so offensive.

It was mentioned on this thread earlier on, but not copied - there was absolutely no need to do so. Why do you need to see it? It is in my opinion too offensive to be copied and viewed.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 12-Nov-23 15:59:30

DaisyAnneReturns

GrannyGravy13

A swastika inside the Star of David, one of the many photos on Met Police wanted list from yesterday.

This lady is allegedly a member of Eastbourne CLP, so much for the peaceful march,.

I could be wrong and this could have been updated while I have been out, but I thought they were looking for three people, from the March GrannyGravy.

"Many photos" doesn't say how many people. Could you let us know how many they are looking for from the March and from the attack on the police at the Senataph?

I haven’t counted them as I am rather busy and not at home.

Oreo Sun 12-Nov-23 15:54:23

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