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What is antisemitism?

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Quokka Mon 13-Nov-23 09:07:22

Is it antisemitic to criticise Israel?

Rosie51 Wed 15-Nov-23 11:56:47

Callistemon my late f-i-l would echo the fear of the Russians getting anywhere first. When they went through towns and villages after the Russians they were disgusted at the aftermath they saw.

Callistemon21 Wed 15-Nov-23 11:25:58

silverlining48

Rape has always been the spoils of war. To a greater or lesser extent every army every war.

Not true.

I have (had) German friends who were relieved to be liberated by the British and Americans and terrified that the Russian 'liberators' would get there first.

They were relieved to br liberated from the Nazis and from the threat of worse.

Iam64 Wed 15-Nov-23 11:23:14

silverlining, are you saying that’s ok then? Surely not

Callistemon21 Wed 15-Nov-23 11:22:32

GrannyGravy13

According to Piers Corbyn, the acts of 7/10 were false flag and were actually carried out by Israel…

I am surprised, because his mother was in The Battle of Cable Street fighting against Mosley's anti-semitic blackshirts in the UK.
She fought against the evil of fascism.

What would Mrs Corbyn Snr think of her sons now, I wonder?
Misguided?

silverlining48 Wed 15-Nov-23 11:15:21

Rape has always been the spoils of war. To a greater or lesser extent every army every war.

Anniebach Wed 15-Nov-23 11:07:19

Misunderstood ? Unbelievable

Iam64 Wed 15-Nov-23 10:58:45

Misunderstood, and driven to rape women, behead babies, burn them in ovens as a result

Anniebach Wed 15-Nov-23 10:23:26

Freedom fighters !

GrannyGravy13 Wed 15-Nov-23 10:19:31

Anniebach

GrannyGrany it was to be expected when I spoke of the patron saint of the far left

Just waiting for someone to come along and post that ISIS, Hezbollah and The Taliban are just misunderstood

Anniebach Wed 15-Nov-23 10:11:20

GrannyGrany it was to be expected when I spoke of the patron saint of the far left

growstuff Wed 15-Nov-23 10:09:20

GrannyGravy13

I cannot believe that posters are questioning whether or not Hamas is a proscribed terror organisation!

Unbelievable.

I'm not questioning it. I know how it's defined. However, terrorism is an emotive word and I'm not the only person who has delved a bit deeper about how it's been used throughout history.

growstuff Wed 15-Nov-23 10:06:48

If people murdered Hitler and his mates at the 1936 Olympics in Munich, would they have been terrorists?

GrannyGravy13 Wed 15-Nov-23 09:58:21

I cannot believe that posters are questioning whether or not Hamas is a proscribed terror organisation!

Unbelievable.

growstuff Wed 15-Nov-23 09:58:18

silverlining48

There are many other examples and believe Sharon later president of Israel was also deemed a terrorist in earlier years.
One mans terrorist is another’s freedom fighter, ergo Nelson Mandela, later to become much lauded throughout the world.

There were Jewish "terrorists" in Israel before 1947.

growstuff Wed 15-Nov-23 09:56:39

"Terrorism" is a loaded word.

Even French resistance fighters were called terrorists by the Vichy government in a law of 1943. The resistance fighters themselves even called themselves "Nous les terroristes" on at least one occasion.

Anniebach Wed 15-Nov-23 09:55:25

So the terrorists who murdered the Israeli Olympic team 1972 were freedom fighters not terrorists , explains why Corbyn laid a wreath for them.

silverlining48 Wed 15-Nov-23 09:51:12

There are many other examples and believe Sharon later president of Israel was also deemed a terrorist in earlier years.
One mans terrorist is another’s freedom fighter, ergo Nelson Mandela, later to become much lauded throughout the world.

Anniebach Wed 15-Nov-23 09:50:23

Denial

yggdrasil Wed 15-Nov-23 09:33:47

Anniebach

An interview with Corbyn and Piers Morgan is doing the rounds , Corbyn refused to condemn Hamas as terrorists

I saw that interview. Piers Morgan was bullying and overbearing. Corbyn was trying to say, terrorists or not, they had to be involved in any cease fire.

In any case, how do you define terrorists? It seems to me that any people suppressed or held down by another will be called terrorists. Hamas committed atrocities, though not all they were blamed for. Israel has done similar on the West Bank with the illegal armed settlers.
Mandela was called a terrorist for fighting against the apartheid South African govt. The MauMau in Kenya were ditto by our govt, until recently when we apologised.
There are many other examples.

growstuff Wed 15-Nov-23 07:08:16

GrannyGravy13

According to Piers Corbyn, the acts of 7/10 were false flag and were actually carried out by Israel…

I can't believe anybody even listens to Piers Corbyn!

GrannyGravy13 Wed 15-Nov-23 07:06:55

According to Piers Corbyn, the acts of 7/10 were false flag and were actually carried out by Israel…

Galaxy Wed 15-Nov-23 06:48:31

Corbyn is indeed entitled to his views and others are entitled to respond to them. I cannot express the relief I feel that it is Starmer currently leading the party.

growstuff Wed 15-Nov-23 03:09:14

Iam64 I utterly condemn Hamas' actions, but I don't think anything I can say would make any difference. It wouldn't bring the victims back.

To this day, I still don't understand what Hamas thought it would achieve.

What I do know is that Netanyahu's approach isn't going to solve anything long-term and will result in the deaths of many more innocent people.

growstuff Wed 15-Nov-23 03:04:19

Anniebach

An interview with Corbyn and Piers Morgan is doing the rounds , Corbyn refused to condemn Hamas as terrorists

And?

Corbyn is entitled to his views.

Anniebach Wed 15-Nov-23 00:46:35

An interview with Corbyn and Piers Morgan is doing the rounds , Corbyn refused to condemn Hamas as terrorists