Tories tearing themselves apart - how long to a GE!

This article explains the position very well. The law was changed in 2009 after Mandelson’s appointment. Gordon Brown originally wanted him to answer questions on his brief in parliament, but that was refused, and instead there was a monthly House of Lords question time, which MPs were not permitted to attend. The difference is that although on the cabinet Mandelson did not hold one of the great offices of state as Cameron now does.
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EEJit

No matter what they do between now and the GE, they will still be in deep do do. Since they outed Boris, they have screwed so many things, and made so many promises which they either haven't fulfilled or have gone back on, only die hard supporters will vote for them. The only chance they have is to get rid of Sunak, and replace him with someone l8ke Braverman who his finally said what a lot of people are saying.

As far as Labour are concerned, I don't think Stamer is the right man for the job, he's too much of a Mr Flip Flop and supports the wrong causes, has he decided what a woman is yet.

May be it's about time a new party was elected into government, the question is, who. None of them have the experience necessary.

In plain English, we're in the sh1t, whichever way we turn.

Can you list the wrong causes he has supported ( I admit that I’m not happy about his current stance on a cease fire in Palestine). Or are you just echoing the sort of rubbish that Johnson used to spout in parliament when he wasn’t talking about Peppa Pig or squashing sombreros. And which promises did Johnson fulfil?

I think that was despicable too GSM.

Mandelson

Why was it despicable? Labour gave Mandeson a peerage and he served as a minister.

Doing what had to be done to get Cameron into Cabinet was despicable. Nobody voted for Cameron. It hasn’t endeared Sunak to me at all and I’ll be glad when he’s gone.

I don’t think Sunak dithered over sacking Braverman Grantanow. It would have taken a while to negotiate Cameron’s return with him and make the necessary arrangements for his peerage. His mind was clearly made up some time ago.

No matter what they do between now and the GE, they will still be in deep do do. Since they outed Boris, they have screwed so many things, and made so many promises which they either haven't fulfilled or have gone back on, only die hard supporters will vote for them. The only chance they have is to get rid of Sunak, and replace him with someone l8ke Braverman who his finally said what a lot of people are saying.

As far as Labour are concerned, I don't think Stamer is the right man for the job, he's too much of a Mr Flip Flop and supports the wrong causes, has he decided what a woman is yet.

May be it's about time a new party was elected into government, the question is, who. None of them have the experience necessary.

In plain English, we're in the sh1t, whichever way we turn.

Today's events show Starmer is robust enough to sack front benchers or force their resignations whereas Sunak dithered a long time before sacking Braverman who was well over the line.

Don't think much of our current P.M. but if the Labour leader is all that's on offer as a future P.M. then G... help us! I say this as a non- political animal - can't think of anyone I would want to put my x against at a G.E.!

M0nica

I don't sit on the fence. I vote, and vot decisively, I just do not vote for the Conservative or Labour parties. To do so would compromise my principles.

Goid

I don't sit on the fence. I vote, and vot decisively, I just do not vote for the Conservative or Labour parties. To do so would compromise my principles.

if it were

I think Sunak's strategy for the GE is damage limitation - losing as few 'safe' seats in Tory-inclined constituencies as possible and ditching the red wall Tories to take their chances. Cameron will strengthen the traditional seats. Braverman is toast. The ERG Tories are noisy but I doubt she has much of a following across Tory MPs. Of course, if we're up to the grassroots she, like Truss, could be elected Leader with similar disastrous results.

Whatever the Conservatives think, they won’t win the next election, in my opinion. They are tired and lacking lustre and really do need a period in opposition.
Keir Starmer has gone up in my estimation due to his stance on Israel.

the Labour supporters continually sniping at Starmer reduces the chances of a Labour government.

I agree Katie. After the sh**show of Tory PMs over the last few years, the country needs a stable, measured leader. Starmer is that leader. Sure, he’s not a clown, a joker, a big personality - but I think we’ve had enough of them! I wish my fellow Labour supporters would stop this almost self-sabotage and, for once, celebrate the fact that our party is electable and is what this country needs.

She is the tool of the ERG, who has its own very right wing agenda- a party within a party- and a secret one at that.

What are they up to? They have been very quiet lately- which makes me very suspicious. Hidden strings are being pulled ...

Here in Scotland it will not be a two horse race and I suspect that there will be many voting for Independents, Greens, Liberals etc. throughout the UK. Unfortunately we live in "Interesting Times"

Braverman made direct challenge to Sunak and knew she would be sacked, she believes in a much more right wing agenda and will be a threat in the future.
The rest of the right wing in the Tory party will keep quiet for now, it’s after the election, win or loose that they will cause havoc in the Tory party, if they loose Braverman will be first in line to depose Sunak.

The Tories still think they can win against the odds, Cameron as Foreign Secretary has little effect on domestic issues but will build bridges overseas particularly with the EU.
It’s not going to influence my vote which will not be Tory, our MP is very unpopular but has a large majority and so far the local party are supporting him.

A week is a long time in politics, really, anything might happen, the Labour supporters continually sniping at Starmer reduces the chances of a Labour government.

I think they will hang on as long as possible hoping something will change to their advantage. However I think we'll see a change in direction designed to win votes in the centre ground. There's also a chance of a party split which might hasten a GE, I'm sure Suella wanted to be sacked but she'll cause a lot of trouble from the back benches.

Sitting on the fence is never an option as far as I’m concerned. My vote is a precious thing and I try to use it to the best of my ability. Even if I don’t vote someone will be in government the day after, and I would be in no position to criticise if I had opted out entirely.

I think the Conservatives could still pull it out of the hat if they hold on until the end and things go right for them over the next year.

Labour has a lack lustre leader and is still spending far too much time in internecine strife.

i couldn't care less who wins, I cannot see either of them doing anything to improve life for most people in this country, just shift the deckchairs round on the deck of the Titanic.

I think they'll hang on as long as possible in order to create more problems for Labour to deal with.

As they are unlikely to become electable within the next year, and their only hope is that any opposition may become even less electable, l think they'll hang on until the end of next year.