The Supreme Court has ruled the Rwanda deportations are illegal

Germanshepherdsmum

It is what it is wwm. I doubt you’d be too keen either. As I have said before, if all asylum claims were accepted where would they all live? They wouldn’t all be able to earn enough to rent homes even if such a number were available.

Why do you think I’d be keen for heavens sake!?

A camp of young men whose asylum application is stretching far into the future with nothing to fill the day, day after day.

Of course it is a recipe for a lot of unhappy folk.

It is what it is wwm. I doubt you’d be too keen either. As I have said before, if all asylum claims were accepted where would they all live? They wouldn’t all be able to earn enough to rent homes even if such a number were available.

Germanshepherdsmum

Would you like 1700 male asylum seekers on your doorstep BlueBelle? Would you feel vulnerable? That’s what my son and his wife face if the proposal for housing them at the former RAF base in Wethersfield, Essex goes ahead.

Wouldn’t be necessary if the government had been anywhere near competent. They new Brexit would cause this issue - did nothing about it.

Would you like 1700 male asylum seekers on your doorstep BlueBelle? Would you feel vulnerable? That’s what my son and his wife face if the proposal for housing them at the former RAF base in Wethersfield, Essex goes ahead.

BlueBelle

Hooray for sense the only people thinking it was a good idea were racists and far right well they’re the same thing really
Now we just need to start treating refugees legal or not as human beings and very often useful human beings
I d happily swap refugees for British child molesters now let’s consider sending them to Rwanda

How about foreign child molesters, rapists and murderers. Some of which have been proven to be asylum ot have granted status. I would rather they be shipped to anywhere but here.

Primrose53

Rwanda must be laughing all the way to their Banks! We have paid them MILLIONS AND MILLIONS.

What did I hear at lunchtime Italy are doing a deal with Albania to take loads of their unwanted migrants?

So, up to all countries to deal as they wish with unwanted migrants. Germany and other EU countries looking too.

Curtaintwitcher

Honestly...this government has gone about things in totally the wrong way. They should have taken a firm stand on illegal migration right from the start. Instead, they have made them feel welcome.
One thing that puzzles me about human rights. If countries are obliged to take care of people who enter the country illegally, why do they not have the same obligation to take care of their own citizens who find themselves homeless?

1 What form of "firm stand" should the government have taken?

2 How does the government make asylum seekers feel welcome?

Incidentally, what's illegal about arriving in a country and claiming asylum?

Mollygo

^ One thing that puzzles me about human rights. If countries are obliged to take care of people who enter the country illegally, why do they not have the same obligation to take care of their own citizens who find themselves homeless?^
Good question, but that doesn’t rouse the same amount of shouting from the populace as what to do with the homeless.

What does human rights legislation actually have to say about housing asylum seekers?

^ One thing that puzzles me about human rights. If countries are obliged to take care of people who enter the country illegally, why do they not have the same obligation to take care of their own citizens who find themselves homeless?^
Good question, but that doesn’t rouse the same amount of shouting from the populace as what to do with the homeless.

The government just gets more farcical by the hour. We now appear to have a Minister responsible for delivering this policy who has described it privately as ‘batshit’.

Honestly...this government has gone about things in totally the wrong way. They should have taken a firm stand on illegal migration right from the start. Instead, they have made them feel welcome.
One thing that puzzles me about human rights. If countries are obliged to take care of people who enter the country illegally, why do they not have the same obligation to take care of their own citizens who find themselves homeless?

we get far fewer migrants than the countries they travel through first and many have families here. It would be much more ethical if they did as Labour propose, apply for asylum in France, speed up the process by employing more staff, then those that are approved can simply hop on the ferry, no gangs of criminals involved. I wouldn't have a problem with them moving people on who don't satisfy the criteria for asylum then, but hoping a) they won't get here and b) the long wait for approval will put them off hasn't worked

A woman? Surely not! 🤣

Being called a weak leader by a woman - phew

Rishi Sunak sounds pretty desperate. We had Boris Johnson's "Get Brexit done" and now Sunak's Get Rwanda done. To make matters worse the day before the Supreme Court ruling he was called a weak leader by a woman!

The thread is about Rwanda. Having read the judgment, nobody has to be an expert to understand the issues.

Allsorts

Grow stuff, you appear yo be an expert in these matters, does this mean you live in an area affected by refugees housed in hotels and detention centres? The people living in those a reas are most affected. Big difference in genuine asylum seekers and economic refugees.

I live very near Wethersfield and I know residents, people on the local council and others who work for Care4Calais, who have been refused entry to provide clothes and haircuts.

I'm not an expert.

How do local residents know the difference between a genuine asylum seeker and an economic refugee? That seems like a complete distraction.

Grow stuff, you appear yo be an expert in these matters, does this mean you live in an area affected by refugees housed in hotels and detention centres? The people living in those a reas are most affected. Big difference in genuine asylum seekers and economic refugees.

sharon103

JenniferEccles

Sorry but no they are not desperate, not in the way you mean LauraNorderr

Desperate to get here yes, as we are a soft touch, but as we all know, before they arrive here they have travelled through several perfectly safe European countries.

I agree with all of your posts JenniferEccles.
A very close relative works in a detention centre.
Some on here would have a different opinion if they knew what I know. Obviously I can't say.
They have a better going on than we do. No wait to see a doctor, hospital or dentist.
No wonder people get angry.

So why make something sound like it's classified information when it's actually unsubstantiated tittle tattle?

What the Tories are conveniently trying to dismiss is that in our constitution the judiciary are the 3 rd pillar and have been so for centuries. Trying to dismiss the rule of law by so called emergency legislation is the road to bringing the whole thing crashing down.

Germanshepherdsmum

She has said enough to give us a flavour of things without details which would implicate her relative.

Thank you.

Siope

I have three words for the ‘leave the ECHR’ swivel-eyed loons (as an ally of Cameron famously called them): Good Friday Agreement.

Oh yes! That had slipped my mind.

I have three words for the ‘leave the ECHR’ swivel-eyed loons (as an ally of Cameron famously called them): Good Friday Agreement.

growstuff

Oreo

He will try very hard to achieve this before an election is called I bet.
Any party which can stop the boats will do well in the election, like it or not.

Any party which thinks it can "stop the boats" is living in cloud cuckoo land and anybody who thinks that any of the current plans will work needs to give their head a wobble.

Resources for investigating trafficking gangs have been slashed. The UK has refused to take up offers for processing in France. The UK has also cut the number of claims being processed, so people are left in limbo.

What we've seen over the last year or so is loud-mouthed rhetoric, which hasn't a hope in hell of reducing the number of asylum seekers, but it persuades a few people that something "is being done".

Exactly growstuff

It is a complex problem which demands a thoughtful approach rather than a media soundbite one.

We have already shelled out millions to Rwanda for nothing whatsoever, money that could have been spent on streamlining the processing system and helping to sort the problem.

Of course we cannot accept all the refugees trying to enter Britain, and there is no political party saying that. We all know that this is a major problem for all the European countries, but it needs serious well thought-out policies, not the flim-flam that we are listening to that has serious repercussions for our standing in the world and our democracy.