The Supreme Court has ruled the Rwanda deportations are illegal

Can those that want everyone to come here, tell me where they are to go, our own people can’t get even a rented place. If these people are desperate why don’t they stay in the first safe country. They come here as we are a soft touch,

I am glad she did not say how they might do it - I am assuming she is intelligent enough to realise that it is complicated and nuanced and will require a lot of work and research. Better that than simplistic ill-thought-out illegal policies that put fellow humans at risk, and put our country, with its proud record of welcoming refugees, on course to withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights - what a total disgrace that would be.

On the News tonight, Yvette Cooper, Shadow Home Secretary, was asked what Labour will do if (when) in power, to sort things.

She said they will tackle the gangs who get paid by the migrants to get them across here, or words to that effect.

Didn’t say how they were going to do that though.

foxie, thanks for highlighting what happened to some wind rush people

My experience of asylum seekers isn’t vast but it’s genuine. Generally genuine people, escaping death, wanting to work. We should allow then to work as their claims are processed. One family I know well escaped certain death for political reasons. The and their 4 adult children eventually granted asylum. Mrs asylum is a fantastic foster carer, mr was a uni lecturer, now teaches English to refugee children who arrive with no English, helps them progress from his school into local schools. Three of their children already qualified and working in nhs, one at university. I could go on,
My experience of our immigrant communities is no different than our white British community. Mixed but generally positive. Most people work hard. Most immigrants want a better life so contribute
I might be leftie leaning but I’m not inexperienced or naive

foxie48

maddyone

Oh thank you foxie. I thought you were talking about asylum seekers, but you’re talking about people whose asylum applications have been refused. I guess they must be put into detention centres. I would hope that if they’re housed in a detention centre prior to deportation, the detention there should be a very short time. But maybe it’s not.

People from the Windrush generation who were here quite legally and had British citizenship were held in detention centres and then deported. Really shocking. About 50% are eventually given right to stay, and there have been cases of people held for 2 or more years before being released. Sadly not a shining example of British efficiency. We really should be able to act more humanely.

I think you are a bit muddled up. Can you rewrite that post.

maddyone

Oh thank you foxie. I thought you were talking about asylum seekers, but you’re talking about people whose asylum applications have been refused. I guess they must be put into detention centres. I would hope that if they’re housed in a detention centre prior to deportation, the detention there should be a very short time. But maybe it’s not.

People from the Windrush generation who were here quite legally and had British citizenship were held in detention centres and then deported. Really shocking. About 50% are eventually given right to stay, and there have been cases of people held for 2 or more years before being released. Sadly not a shining example of British efficiency. We really should be able to act more humanely.

Oh thank you foxie. I thought you were talking about asylum seekers, but you’re talking about people whose asylum applications have been refused. I guess they must be put into detention centres. I would hope that if they’re housed in a detention centre prior to deportation, the detention there should be a very short time. But maybe it’s not.

Mollygo

GrannyGravy13

Let’s hope that the Government has a Plan B, as the current situation is untenable.

It is not fair on the refugees/migrants, it is not fair on the communities who have a sudden influx of young men (with nothing to occupy them) nor is it sustainable for the public purse.

What we need is a Labour government. I’m sure they’ve got a solution to stopping the influx of young men, or all those risking their lives in the little boats and paying a fortune to do so, which leaves them penniless when they get here.

Yes indeed Mollygo, that is what we need. Labour have a plan that has a much greater chance of success.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/27/starmer-plan-stop-the-boats-why-labour-policy-will-work

Hooray for sense the only people thinking it was a good idea were racists and far right well they’re the same thing really
Now we just need to start treating refugees legal or not as human beings and very often useful human beings
I d happily swap refugees for British child molesters now let’s consider sending them to Rwanda

maddyone

^people held in detention centres are often locked up for thirteen hours a day^

I don’t think asylum seekers are locked up anywhere. That would be illegal. Why do you think they’re locked up foxie? The asylum seekers near us live in a hotel and we see them when we go to walk along the seafront. They’re walking on the seafront too, or sitting in the garden of the hotel.

They won't be in a Detention Centre. Basically they are like prisons, they are not free to leave and can be locked in their rooms. They are generally used prior to deportation but about 50% of people detained are eventually released but they don't know how long they will be detained and some are held for a long time. There's been over 40 deaths in detention centres from a variety of causes but suicide by hanging is not that uncommon.

maddyone

^people held in detention centres are often locked up for thirteen hours a day^

I don’t think asylum seekers are locked up anywhere. That would be illegal. Why do you think they’re locked up foxie? The asylum seekers near us live in a hotel and we see them when we go to walk along the seafront. They’re walking on the seafront too, or sitting in the garden of the hotel.

That’s unless you’re unfortunate enough to end up in detention centre funded by the eu.

GrannyGravy13

Let’s hope that the Government has a Plan B, as the current situation is untenable.

It is not fair on the refugees/migrants, it is not fair on the communities who have a sudden influx of young men (with nothing to occupy them) nor is it sustainable for the public purse.

What we need is a Labour government. I’m sure they’ve got a solution to stopping the influx of young men, or all those risking their lives in the little boats and paying a fortune to do so, which leaves them penniless when they get here.

people held in detention centres are often locked up for thirteen hours a day

I don’t think asylum seekers are locked up anywhere. That would be illegal. Why do you think they’re locked up foxie? The asylum seekers near us live in a hotel and we see them when we go to walk along the seafront. They’re walking on the seafront too, or sitting in the garden of the hotel.

I should have said, any party attempting to stop the boats by any means necessary will do well in the election.
It depends where you live and the circles you move in if the illegal immigrant crisis bothers you or not or where it is in your priorities.It’s easy to assume that if you aren’t fussed yourself then others won’t be.
The main thing in my view is to get applications assessed really quickly.

I’m puzzled as to how the eu is funding UN camps in Rwanda and Niger.
These are people who have made it to Libya where they were kept in horrendous conditions paid for by the eu.
The eu paid the Libyan coast guard to turn back the boats heading for Europe.

www.unhcr.org/rw/who-we-help/evacuees-from-libya-emergency-transit-mechanism-centre

JenniferEccles

Plus accommodation on a barge moored in beautiful Dorset, free to come and go as they please with free transport laid on.
There are medical facilities on board, plus a gym, yet still some have the brass neck to complain.

The list goes on and on.

Of course this is all costing the poor tax payer, although less, we are told, than the 8 million pounds PER DAY it costs to house them in hotels.

Some of that money has been diverted from the overseas aid budget. But I assume you don’t agree with that either.

He is talking to his right wing? This is never going to get off the ground.

I don’t think it will make much difference at all Oreo whether the boats are stopped or not. It’s not a major priority for most people. That’s not to say they don’t care about it, it’s just not anywhere near the top of their concerns.

But it won't stop the boats!

He will try very hard to achieve this before an election is called I bet.
Any party which can stop the boats will do well in the election, like it or not.

He has no mandate to withdraw from the ECHR.

The Rwanda plan is still on.
RS on tv now saying just that.There will be a treaty ready to go through Parliament to show Rwanda is safe for the immigrants, and if all else fails he wouldn’t allow the court in Strasbourg to scupper it.

So contrary to the SC and the rule of law. This ghastly government is going to rule Rwanda is a safe country. So they are intending to ignore, the torture, the killings and transportation of their asylum seekers back to their home country.

43 businesses near me have signed up to ask the ban on asylum seekers working be lifted. They would all be willing to employ them. If they were working they couldn't possibly cost as much as they do now. They would pay taxes and contribute to the local economy.
Now the Rwanda farce has been knocked on the head let's have a proper policy which permits them to work, processes applications quickly and allows those who are genuine asylum seekers to start their new lives here, instead of forcing them to live lives of uncertainty.

All asylum seekers whose claims were accepted would still need accommodation wwm. And if they couldn’t earn enough to pay for food and accommodation would they not be seeking benefits?