Net Migration Shocker

DaisyAnneReturns

What a comprehensive post M0nica.

Lack of planning seems to be the crux of so many of this government's problems.

If you had read Monica’s post properly you would have seen that she isn’t just blaming this government, but successive governments over many decades.

DaisyAnneReturns

Unpleasant? Stifling debate? What do you call this, eazybee? If you (or the writer) want others to speak softly and with reasoned facts, you need to the same.

And many don’t! They disappear into the black economy and therefore pay no taxes or insurance, and others simply keep on getting work visas and stay on to work, and bring their families in to join them, if they’re not already here as ‘dependents’ although I’m unsure how anyone can be dependent on a student without a job.

I find this disgusting. Others will find it disgusting too. When trying to work out why someone would say that, without any proof or numbers to tell us who and why those described are doing what MO says they are, I have reached only one conclusion. If there is another one I am very happy to learn.

Well, you could learn by reading up on it.It’s been known for ages that this often happens and they have eventually been removed from the UK.
And yes your remark to maddyone was unpleasant.

DAR good.

maddyone I have blocked you ability to send me personal posts.

What a comprehensive post M0nica.

Lack of planning seems to be the crux of so many of this government's problems.

You dont need to read fancythat. Just watch, listen and, hopefully (as in that's what I always hope for), learn.

He's paid the subscriptions, followed those in the know and done the analysis for you.

Out of interest, do you watch the news or read a newspaper? It's just another way of getting information. I do "get" that some people don't want to engage with technology but it doesn't seem unreasonable to assume that of of this on GN a reasonable number might like getting information that way.

Iam64

They are MaizieD
A friend who was a senior manager at three different universities said they depended on foreign students
My local university has a large number of students from China

I think quite a proportion of the students are from Hong Kong, they certainly were when my son was at university. They can legally settle in the UK after their degrees if they want to, one of my son’s friends from his course has done so and is now a UK citizen.
www.gov.uk/government/news/government-announces-a-third-year-of-support-to-help-hong-kongers-settle-into-life-in-the-uk#:~:text=The%20government%20today%20(1%20March,and%20settle%20in%20the%20UK.

These figures just show that all the fuss about the boat people is merely meant to deflect our gaze from the level of legimitmate inward migration. the number entering this country illegally is almost invisible compared with legal migration

I have reached the stage where I am among those thinking that migration to this country is far too high it is leading to a stage where it is causing social disharmony with the wars in other countries being foughton our streets.

It is a failure of labour planning by successive governments over many decades. We should have had a plan that showed how many people we needed in the kyp professions - the heaalth sector being the prime area, we should then have increased the university and other training places to match the country's needs. Wages and salaries should also have been pitched at a level to bring the right number of people into those sectors.

Every half million increase in the population, increases our need for people in the health sector to meet those extra needs , puts pressure on housing.I am aware that increasing numbers, all gainfully employed adds to the economy, but at what price?

I never thought I would ever write the above words, and I beleieve that the many migrants we have accepted over the years have added greatly to our culture, but enough can become too much and I think we have reached the tipping point.

They are MaizieD
A friend who was a senior manager at three different universities said they depended on foreign students
My local university has a large number of students from China

Iam64

Our universities need over seas students. It’s up to the home office to ensure visas etc are effective

At the graduation ceremony where my DD received her doctorate, some 10+ years ago, the ordinary degrees were being conferred on Business Studies graduates. I would say that well over 90% of the graduates were Asian. Mostly Chinese. I doubt it's any different know. They're a big money spinner.

Our universities need over seas students. It’s up to the home office to ensure visas etc are effective

Unpleasant? Stifling debate? What do you call this, eazybee? If you (or the writer) want others to speak softly and with reasoned facts, you need to the same.

And many don’t! They disappear into the black economy and therefore pay no taxes or insurance, and others simply keep on getting work visas and stay on to work, and bring their families in to join them, if they’re not already here as ‘dependents’ although I’m unsure how anyone can be dependent on a student without a job.

I find this disgusting. Others will find it disgusting too. When trying to work out why someone would say that, without any proof or numbers to tell us who and why those described are doing what MO says they are, I have reached only one conclusion. If there is another one I am very happy to learn.

maddyone

^many of those return home when their courses end^

And many don’t! They disappear into the black economy and therefore pay no taxes or insurance, and others simply keep on getting work visas and stay on to work, and bring their families in to join them, if they’re not already here as ‘dependents’ although I’m unsure how anyone can be dependent on a student without a job.

What evidence is there that 'they disappear into the black economy'? Isn't it up to the Home Office to keep track of people who are here on student visas?

Howe many of those who come on student visas are here to study for a 1st degree or post graduate degree? Certainly universities depend on overseas students for income so we're hardly likely to be discouraging them.

If they remain on work visas then they have a job, so it's surely not a question of families being dependent on a student without a job?

I can't help feeling that the Home Office is not very good at monitoring people here on visas, which, if there is a problem, just compounds it.

Only 3% of that figure are people arriving on boats (ilegally as some would say)

The remainder are here on visas.

DaisyAnneReturns

You really do have a very poor view of your fellow human beings MO. I can only think it's because you know that's how you would behave.

Did you watch the video? Perhaps not. I know some people avoid knowing the truth lest their personal bias takes knock.

You don’t know me at all, and know nothing of how I would or do behave.
Please stop attacking me because my view is different than yours.
I’m entitled to my view just as you are entitled yours, and I would appreciate it if you would concern yourself with joining in the discussion without feeling the need to attack me. Thank you.

You dont have to say if you dont want to.
But I cant be the only person, probably even on this thread, who does not watch a 10 min video.

fwiw, I dont watch all videos family members send either.
Some videos can be way more than 10 mins.

Vintagewhine

Excellent DAR thanks. An idiots guide to why legal immigration is so high. You don't even need to be able to interpret graphs to understand what's happened.

What are the points?
Personally I dont have 10 mins to spare[or dont want to or both].Personally, I dont read all links. But will spare 30 seconds to read some posts.

You really do have a very poor view of your fellow human beings MO. I can only think it's because you know that's how you would behave.

An very unpleasant remark, Daisy-Anne, and exactly the sort designed to stifle debate.

You really do have a very poor view of your fellow human beings MO. I can only think it's because you know that's how you would behave.

Did you watch the video? Perhaps not. I know some people avoid knowing the truth lest their personal bias takes knock.

many of those return home when their courses end

And many don’t! They disappear into the black economy and therefore pay no taxes or insurance, and others simply keep on getting work visas and stay on to work, and bring their families in to join them, if they’re not already here as ‘dependents’ although I’m unsure how anyone can be dependent on a student without a job.

Only 80,000 came from Ukraine. Unsure how many from Hong Kong, but the biggest number were from Nigeria and India according to what I saw yesterday. Several hundred thousand came on student visas and they brought 90,000 dependents with them, including some of their mothers! Many others came to work in the care sector or NHS. We desperately need care workers and NHS workers, but unsure we need so many students and we certainly don’t need their dependents, who simply put pressure on housing and services.
Those who came from Ukraine and Hong Kong are genuinely needing a place of safety and we were able to provide it.

Grantanow the birth rate is falling across Europe, along with some Asian Countries Hong Kong and South Korea for example.

Immigration is here to stay and the Tories know it. Their failure is to fail to build more houses, schools and health facilities. Post-Brexit immigration (approved by visa) from non-EU countries has risen to fill NHS and care sector vacancies and student places at universities (generating much needed fee income). Many of these return home when their course ends. We simply don't have enough younger people to skills train (too few births). If we had not Brexited most of the immigrant intake would have been replaced by free movement. Labour know it too.

Excellent DAR thanks. An idiots guide to why legal immigration is so high. You don't even need to be able to interpret graphs to understand what's happened.

You may find this interesting,

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqjZNK29Bqg