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Urmstongran Fri 24-Nov-23 18:30:44

Anyone else horrified by how the media are fixated on the rioters rather than the cause?

foxie48 Wed 29-Nov-23 18:05:12

That's a very dangerous position to take though. Some might think he is saying if you protest peacefully and are ignored then there is justification to move onto criminal behaviour. It's not. Putting into a different context, that's the argument that a terrorist group like Hamas could use, ie we have had our requests ignored so we are justified in taking criminal action. And no, it's not! Having done a little bit of research McGuirk is an interesting character, does he really equate the thousands of peaceful protesters with the thugs who rioted and stole from shops in central Dublin? Lots there on the internet for people to make their own mind up about him. I know what I think.

Urmstongran Wed 29-Nov-23 15:09:47

Pause for thought here.

As the political commentator John McGuirk, editor of the Gript website, tweeted: “When thousands of people protested peacefully in East Wall, and in other communities across Dublin, their reward was not to be recognised or engaged with for their peaceful political participation. Their reward was rather to be called far-Right, deplorable, and the dregs of Irish society. Every single effort has been made to silence people. Today, they made themselves heard. I wish they had chosen another way. And then I remember. They did. And you all refused to listen.”

foxie48 Sat 25-Nov-23 17:39:04

Telegraph calls them "far right hooligans
From The Sun "The sinister note was sent to a far-right group chat at 5.22pm on Thursday, after a knifeman attacked three schoolchildren in the Irish capital.

Shel69 Sat 25-Nov-23 15:45:15

Yes I am too am horrified by the focus on the rioters rather than the cause,
There will always be thugs who will use protests to cause mayhem, here and in other countries, it's worse when we don't get the true details, and just have media versions, here in Ireland it's no different to the uk,

Galaxy Sat 25-Nov-23 15:23:21

I am not keen on the knee jerk reaction against social media, I think it obviously has its issues and probably divides us more into 'tribes' but it also provides people with a voice who have never had that before.

Oreo Sat 25-Nov-23 15:21:10

Am not keen on rewarding with money, seems to be a sign of everything has to have a cash value.
Reward enough to have done the decent thing and been praised for it.

OldFrill Sat 25-Nov-23 13:00:45

The GoFundMe 'Buy Caio Benicio a pint' has raised over €330,000
The power of social media

GrannyGravy13 Sat 25-Nov-23 12:03:08

I am always amazed that thugs are described as right wing

Do they interview them all and ask who they vote for?

In my opinion right wing has become a lazy insult and description of anyone who is dissatisfied with the status quo and feels that there is no other options left to them than rioting to get themselves heard.

The Garda has in their statement said that there were opportunists who turned up looting and causing havoc.

I would be surprised if any of them had ever been on inside a voting booth.

Despite the above, the events of Thursday evening were awful to watch, and not what I imagine the victims families wanted.

Galaxy Sat 25-Nov-23 11:51:28

I am sure they did and they will do it again because trust in institutions is lost. I am not a right wing thug strangely enough, I just despaired and gave up reading the reporting as events unfolded.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 25-Nov-23 11:24:57

Galaxy

Social media played that role because reporting from the media was so appallingly poor.

No - the right wings thugs used social media to call up their “troops” to rage warfare.

Callistemon21 Sat 25-Nov-23 11:08:18

Jane43

There is more than one hero in this, one of the children’s carers tried to stop the attacker, he shielded the child he was responsible for and tried to protect the other children. More than one other person also tried to intervene, at least one of them a woman.

Yes, I know, there was a woman who intervened too, she was interviewed on TV as I mentioned above, plus other bystanders.

Well done for running towards the scene to try to save others, rather than running away.

Jane43 Sat 25-Nov-23 10:59:53

There is more than one hero in this, one of the children’s carers tried to stop the attacker, he shielded the child he was responsible for and tried to protect the other children. More than one other person also tried to intervene, at least one of them a woman.

Galaxy Sat 25-Nov-23 10:55:44

Well you might want to think about that foxie because most people arent getting information from traditional media they gave up on that some time ago.

Callistemon21 Sat 25-Nov-23 10:45:51

Galaxy

The identity of the perpetrator is a 50 year old man who has lived in Ireland for 20 years.
I am not sure at all that people mistook the Brazilian man for the perpetrator. The reporting has been utterly ridiculous. It was like wading through treacle and still is to some extent to find out what was going on.

So the perpetrator is allegedly an immigrant who has lived there for 20 years

The hero of the day is an immigrant too.

Do none of the stupid rioters see any irony in that?

foxie48 Sat 25-Nov-23 10:42:04

I doubt the thugs who ran riot are the sort to read newspapers or watch TV news, they get their information from Tik Tok and Telegram. In today's news there's a transcript of a voice message which went out. Absolutely disgusting behaviour regardless of the nationality or race of the perpetrator.

Galaxy Sat 25-Nov-23 10:35:14

Social media played that role because reporting from the media was so appallingly poor.

RosiesMaw Sat 25-Nov-23 10:32:41

The role of social media in stoking the fires 🔥 was alarming too.
Dangerous and shocking

Oreo Sat 25-Nov-23 09:33:21

I read that the man was Algerian, but had lived in Ireland for many years.
What makes anybody attack and try and kill children is a complete mystery, whatever nationality they are.
The riots and looting that followed this are shameful, but do show that not everything in that country is rosy.The reporting and the attitude of the Garda around it were complete amateur hour.

Galaxy Sat 25-Nov-23 08:57:41

The man as I said has lived in Ireland for 20 years but had previously lived elsewhere. I think Algeria but they are not releasing that information.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 25-Nov-23 07:58:40

Apparently, once again we have social media to thank for the reaction to the knife crime. The attacker was wrongly described as an immigrant according to the police, and of course you then get this small rump of far right idiots causing mayhem.

I thought the speech given by the Irish (haven’t a clue how to spell it) leader was excellent.

Vintagewhine Sat 25-Nov-23 07:49:59

Difficult not to focus on 500 thugs burning police cars, breaking into shops and generally creating mayhem for several hours in Ireland's capital city. Ireland has a very Right Wing party, which is Anti immigration which was formed in 2016. It currently doesn't have any elected members but it does have it's supporters. Would this riot have happened if the perpetrator been known to have been a white native Irish man? No of course not!

nanna8 Sat 25-Nov-23 07:42:29

I don’t understand what is going on at all. The news we are getting just says it is a group of far right extremists but not what they are being extreme about. We heard that a child had been killed but very sketchy details.

MerylStreep Fri 24-Nov-23 21:16:09

This is nothing new in Ireland. It was only in March that there were protests.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/21/ireland-anti-refugee-protests-far-right-uk-politics

Urmstongran Fri 24-Nov-23 20:49:45

Well one thing is for certain, focusing attention on the reaction rather than on the cause is not going to make anything better.

Galaxy Fri 24-Nov-23 20:39:45

The identity of the perpetrator is a 50 year old man who has lived in Ireland for 20 years.
I am not sure at all that people mistook the Brazilian man for the perpetrator. The reporting has been utterly ridiculous. It was like wading through treacle and still is to some extent to find out what was going on.