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Electric cars - to buy or not to buy?

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Mollygo Sun 03-Dec-23 08:20:50

We were thinking of getting one, well a hybrid at least, out of respect for the planet. I already feel guilty about the stuff in my mobile phone, that I wouldn’t be without. I knew little about the mining and toxicity of cobalt and but then I read this.
This is a Tesla battery.
To manufacture it you need:
12 tonnes of rock for Lithium
5 tons of Cobalt minerals
3 tons of mineral for nickel
12 tons of copper ore
Move 250 tons of soil to obtain:
12 kg of Lithium
30 pounds of nickels
22 kg of manganese
15 pounds of Cobalt
100 Kg of rams
200 kg of aluminum, steel or and plastic
The Caterpillar 994A used for earthmoving consumes 1000 liters of diesel in 12 hours.
Oh, and then you have to build the car.
Finally you get a “zero emissions” car.

I can’t argue with the damage caused by fossil fuel emissions, but . . . how much would this bother you?

OldFrill Fri 08-Dec-23 14:02:53

Mamie

France is not relying solely on nuclear for cars though. The development focus is solar and wind, with the large charging stations built to use solar power. Our nuclear output was quite dodgy last year when stations had to close, as climate change and consequent drought lowered the levels of rivers used for cooling.
I think most countries are looking at a range of options and at new battery technologies that will improve range without using more electricity. It isn't as if technological development is something that stands still. My mother in law never thought washing machines could advance beyond the twin tub. 😂

Nuclear plants do not need to use/be situated beside a natural water supply, like the many being built in Africa/Middle East that use a different cooling method (won't bore everyone with the system).

Grantanow Fri 08-Dec-23 15:50:20

Being an early adopter of a new product is usually a bad idea. Better wait for the enthusiasts to buy them and suffer all the Friday afternoon faults, etc.

MrsKen33 Fri 08-Dec-23 16:35:52

They were asking for people with 4x4s the other day, when the weather was bad in the north. Enough said .

GrannyGravy13 Fri 08-Dec-23 16:43:49

MrsKen33

They were asking for people with 4x4s the other day, when the weather was bad in the north. Enough said .

There are electric 4 X 4 and all wheel drive vehicles.

BMW, Audi, Tesla, Jeep, Jaguar, Volvo to name just a few.

MrsKen33 Fri 08-Dec-23 17:02:27

Yes but have you seen the price. I’ll wait ‘till they are more affordable

MrsKen33 Fri 08-Dec-23 17:17:08

And what happens in those conditions when there is a power cut and the cars can ‘t be charged?

Katie59 Sat 09-Dec-23 07:18:34

MrsKen33

And what happens in those conditions when there is a power cut and the cars can ‘t be charged?

If there is a power cut petrol pumps don’t work either.

Mollygo Sun 10-Dec-23 17:32:21

MrsKen33
Assuming that you’re asking your question about charging cars during a power cut, for people whose cars have run out of charge or whose cars are very low in charge, they wait.
If you’re not in an EV, you either crawl to the nearest working garage or ask family or Green Flag to bring you a containerful.