Covid Inquiry

Opal

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Opal

Maybe we should change the title of the thread to "let's all jump on the "we hate Boris" bandwagon" - this enquiry is just a blame game by any other standards. Trial by media .......

Rather than blame the Government for how it handled the pandemic - and let's be honest, none of us know what the outcomes would have been had it been handled differently, because we haven't got a bloody crystal ball, how about blaming bloody China for releasing the virus onto the world in the first place? I wonder how many of you who are so critical of those who had to handle the pandemic have actually still been visiting China, buying chinese goods and generally supporting the Chinese economy since it happened? Put the blame where it belongs - in China!

I'm sure we'll all feel better once the gods and goddesses of Revenge have been unleashed on China!

Personally, I'd rather find out how to deal with such allegedly malign forces in future.

Well, it seems that most people on here will feel better once the Gods and Goddesses of Revenge have been unleashed on Boris! What's the difference?

Possibly none! I tried to eliminate "blame" from my vocabulary years ago. I don't understand the desire for revenge.

MaizieD 👍🏻👏
I’m amazed that his ability to groom and seduce some people is still effective

Opal

MayBee70

He’s still got police protection and a massive pension. Plus the money he gets for his public speaking. How much has his new house cost?

Yep, in line with every other ex-PM! Your point is ....?

He left in disgrace didn’t he. Wasn’t it Thatcher that introduced the massive pension? Maybe that’s why MP’s s these days fight over the chance to be PM even if only for a few weeks and to the detriment of the country.

I'm amazed at people's willingness to jump on the bandwagon and "the message of the day" from the media. I prefer to watch, listen and think for myself.

Iam64

MaizieD 👍🏻👏
I’m amazed that his ability to groom and seduce some people is still effective

He seems to have charmed everyone, made them laugh ( even though the enquiry was about so many people dying) and ended it with diverting all of the thought to the origins of the virus. I think he was given a much easier time of it than previous people have and showed his talent for answering questions by not answering them. Nothing seems to stick to him.

Opal

I'm amazed at people's willingness to jump on the bandwagon and "the message of the day" from the media. I prefer to watch, listen and think for myself.

So Opal, are you suggesting the majority here who don’t share your views are incapable of thinking for ourselves ?

Opal

I'm amazed at people's willingness to jump on the bandwagon and "the message of the day" from the media. I prefer to watch, listen and think for myself.

Good lord, people were criticising his inept handling from very early on, and the more that has become apparent over the intervening years the worse it looks for Johnson and his 'team'.

As the media were right behind him at the time and are only now changing their stance, I'm not sure where this 'message of the day' is being promulgated.

All of the news reports are saying how he became quite emotional and was fighting back the tears. I don’t believe that. It was a calculated, measured performance.

Opal

Maybe we should change the title of the thread to "let's all jump on the "we hate Boris" bandwagon" - this enquiry is just a blame game by any other standards. Trial by media .......

Rather than blame the Government for how it handled the pandemic - and let's be honest, none of us know what the outcomes would have been had it been handled differently, because we haven't got a bloody crystal ball, how about blaming bloody China for releasing the virus onto the world in the first place? I wonder how many of you who are so critical of those who had to handle the pandemic have actually still been visiting China, buying chinese goods and generally supporting the Chinese economy since it happened? Put the blame where it belongs - in China!

Have you forgotten the news from Italy at the end of Feb/beginning March? Some friends skiing in Italy in February managed to get out just before lockdown. I remember seeing vans (not just ambulance) piled up with coffins awaiting burial.
Movement between towns was banned and the caribineri were manning the roads in and out of the towns.

Much of the information obtained from the inquiry, especially concerning the science, shows how people were trying to persuade the govt to take covid more seriously than they were.

I don't think many people hate Johnson. We just think that he's an idiot and a buffoon and unfit to govern the country. I think we deserve better in our PMs - not someone who misses 5 Cobra meetings and swans off to Chevening to sort out his divorce and write his book on Shakespeare.

We, the taxpayers, are paying for Johnson's hugely expensive barristers.

Opal

And before any of you pile on - my husband was in intensive care with the virus. I don't blame the Government of the day - I blame China.

China started it's lockdowns on 23 January when it stopped all transport in Wuhan, followed over the newt few days with cities and towns in the same province.

Whilst China was the source of this particular pandemic it cannot be blamed for some of the idiotic thinking in other countries which resulted in delays and many unnecessary deaths.

I'm sure you realise the Nike conference/convention was in February when checks weren't being made ..ONE person was found to have had covid ...almost a month later on 13th March Cheltenham went ahead unlike the Nike event which wasn't massive Cheltenham was .oh and we WERE going into lockdown not long after
I can also point out that we in Scotland have no control over who enters the country especially by AIR as we dont have control of the airways only Westminster could have stopped those delegates .
Dont you wish SCOTLAND had full control of our borders? We sure did during Covid ,it showed why we needed control .Unlike your own dear Boris .Ms Sturgeon WAS following scientific advice as pointed out by Patrick Vallance and today in questioning of Bojo ,we should have had that option from day 1

paddyann54 you do know that Ms Sturgeon is not a saint?

Nobody is jeering.

Is the Kangaroo Court the same one that the Johnson fan club were talking about when he last faced questions about his lies, misleading the HoC regarding the Downing Street parties?

So Boris couldn't understand what the figures and projections meant! And this is a man who has literally had the best education that money can buy! He doesn't seem to have made the best use of it. Even his Shakespeare book doesn't seem to have come to anything.

MadeInYorkshire

You can tell he is lying - his lips move ... problem is none of them ill be held to account.

Turns out in New Zealand 11,000 MP's and the elite didn't have the Covid vaccines - wonder why that might be?? I suspect that they did know the 'science' and knew that these vaccines were experimental. I expect the same will apply to here, and I bet those shown having it o the TV were having a dose of normal saline.

There's more to come out over this, and since spotting that they were deliberately inflating the death figures (within 28 days of a positive Covid test - whether they died of a heart attack, cancer or in a road accident), I haven't believed a word they say. The excess death figures are still rising (not Covid) , there will be more pandemics coming along with more lockdowns, deaths, people losing their jobs etc ... I am glad I won't be here, and I want on my headstone "I did tell you ..."

Did you fact check this?

First answer on Google:
i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133104602/fact-check-did-11000-people-really-get-a-vaccine-exemption

I read that Boris Johnson arrived at the inquiry absolutely hours before the days proceedings were due to commence to avoid the relatives of Covid deceased. If this is true then his profound cowardice has tarnished the office of Prime Minister in a way that it may never recover from.
And this is how Eton teaches it's pupils to conduct themselves in the big, wide world?

Opal

I'm amazed at people's willingness to jump on the bandwagon and "the message of the day" from the media. I prefer to watch, listen and think for myself.

What you're saying in effect is that because we don't share your view - we're unable to think for ourselves.

Which is a tad arrogant.

MayBee70

All of the news reports are saying how he became quite emotional and was fighting back the tears. I don’t believe that. It was a calculated, measured performance.

I would hate to be as cynical as you. What other world leader, non of whom responded really well in the pandemic, Sweden let it rip, are being hung out to dry. During pandemics, unfortunately people die, just as they do with influenza.
Deaths were a lot lower in this country than in many others.
No I'm not dismissing those who died, or their loved ones who are left, but this is about revenge, because he's Boris Johnson. nothing else. No I'm not a fan either.

Freya5

MayBee70

All of the news reports are saying how he became quite emotional and was fighting back the tears. I don’t believe that. It was a calculated, measured performance.

I would hate to be as cynical as you. What other world leader, non of whom responded really well in the pandemic, Sweden let it rip, are being hung out to dry. During pandemics, unfortunately people die, just as they do with influenza.
Deaths were a lot lower in this country than in many others.
No I'm not dismissing those who died, or their loved ones who are left, but this is about revenge, because he's Boris Johnson. nothing else. No I'm not a fan either.

I assume that you listened to the questions put to Johnson by the representatives of the bereaved people? Deaths were not a lot lower here than in comparable countries.

What do you mean with "Sweden let it rip"? Sweden did have restrictions and also had higher mortality rates than surrounding countries.

Which many other countries had higher rates of deaths than the UK?

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Yes, MayBee70
Pretty poor actually- 18th "most deaths by population" ^in the world.

'Johnson partied while people died' was a very moving and powerful placard held up by bereaved people at the Inquiry. It should form part of a memorial.

MayBee70

Freya5

MayBee70

All of the news reports are saying how he became quite emotional and was fighting back the tears. I don’t believe that. It was a calculated, measured performance.

I would hate to be as cynical as you. What other world leader, non of whom responded really well in the pandemic, Sweden let it rip, are being hung out to dry. During pandemics, unfortunately people die, just as they do with influenza.
Deaths were a lot lower in this country than in many others.
No I'm not dismissing those who died, or their loved ones who are left, but this is about revenge, because he's Boris Johnson. nothing else. No I'm not a fan either.

I assume that you listened to the questions put to Johnson by the representatives of the bereaved people? Deaths were not a lot lower here than in comparable countries.

I watched it all afternoon - some of the questions were completely irrelevant, e.g. "how to handle the devolved authorities". One of the KCs should get an Oscar - what a performance! He was obviously grandstanding, what a great way to raise his own profile!

Grantanow

'Johnson partied while people died' was a very moving and powerful placard held up by bereaved people at the Inquiry. It should form part of a memorial.

Words fail me.