Braverman’s leadership bid.

Many people believed leaving the EU would solve all our problems. Now all will be well as soon as we have shipped a few 'illegals' to Rwanda.

Whitewavemark2

I was struck by Braverman’s speech yesterday at the way she used language so frequently used by unscrupulous politicians, and which is used effectively to convince the listener of an apparent existential problem where none exists.

So her “hoards”of illegal immigrants amounted to just a tad over 44000 that arrived in small boats this year. In total 55320 so called “illegals” arrived in the U.K. seeking asylum.

These numbers should be pigeon feed to a country like the U.K. and the way they are dealt with. But like just about everything else the Tory government’s incompetence has assured that the whole process has broken down and got totally out of hand.

We are now spending £7million a day to house these people. Just think how many HO civil servants could be employed to expedite matters! But no - for whatever reason the Home Office has chosen not to take this matter in hand, and has presided over a situation over which they have lost any rational control.

I can’t remember who said it: it might have been on a Sky News news review or a podcast ( I think it was the former) but someone said they’d noticed that she'd had a makeover and also that she was using Trumpian language and they thought she’d got some sort of advisor helping her: possibly American. They pointed out that she looked as though she’d had hair extensions etc. This was several weeks ago. It seems that the more Conservative MP’s get disgraced and sent to the back benches the more support they seem to get. I bet Truss, who still believes her economics were right and has her supporters, is fuming.

Trump has served once as president and will probably be re elected. So it's not a stupid move although obviously we are very different countries.

I’m not expecting Braverman to replace Sunak before the next GE because to win the Tories have to pick up moderate votes. Braverman will loose votes however much the right wing Tories like her policies.

Marmin

NicknRobinson's question on Today:

When you're on the radio and the television, Suella Braverman, you talk about substance, you talk quite reasonably. When I ask you questions about tough language, you sort of laugh at me as if I'm the one talking about a Conservative
death wish. "You've condemned the leader of your party as uncertain, weak and lacking in leadership, you've said he never had any intention of keeping his promises,
you've accused him of betrayal and wishful thinking. "You've attacked lawyers, judges, civil servants, the head of the Metropolitan Police, people who are worried about deaths in Gaza, you've attacked the
homeless, you've attacked migrants as being part of an invasion. "Isn't the truth you're a headline-grabber who does it by spreading poison, even
within your own party?"

That is absolutely correct.

Appealing to the lowest common denominator is neither clever nor good policy. It is the sort of cultural warfare that the right relies on to gain votes. .

*You've attacked lawyers, judges, civil servants, the head of the Metropolitan Police, people who are worried about deaths in Gaza, you've attacked the
homeless, you've attacked migrants as being part of an invasion. "Isn't the truth you're a headline-grabber who does it by spreading poison, even
within your own party*

The argument that it is what people think is no argument at all, because firstly you have no idea what people are thinking snd secondly the data does not bear that out.

I’m not sure that whether or not SB has got hair extensions has got anything to do with it.

Except perhaps that the Rwanda scheme is/was a waste of money. Hair extensions are also a waste of money in my opinion.

Criticise Ms Braverman for her policies, not her appearance please.

Whether or not she has hair extensions is totally irrelevant.

I agree with you GG.
I was trying to make the point, unsuccessfully perhaps, that her hair extensions, as mentioned in a previous comment, are completely irrelevant.

maddyone

I agree with you GG.
I was trying to make the point, unsuccessfully perhaps, that her hair extensions, as mentioned in a previous comment, are completely irrelevant.

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The question now is whether Braverman, Jenrick and right wing cohorts will support this bill.

Will Sunak make it a three line whip? And what will he do to any of the right that may refuse to support the bill?

It will take 29 Tory MPs to refuse to support the bill for it to fall.
If the legislation doesn’t get through - what then?

(Question- is Sunak allowed to become party political at a government forum- I’m sure he isn’t)

An election?

maddyone

I’m not sure that whether or not SB has got hair extensions has got anything to do with it.

Well, it was relevant enough for it to by mentioned by someone on a news programme. But only insomuch as it made it more obvious that she had somehow repackaged herself and that she had a coherent plan to get the leadership. I know it makes me a bit shallow but I listen to Sky News most days, especially the news review and it was the mention of the hair extensions that stuck in my mind. By the way, saying that someone has had hair extensions and has had a makeover isn’t criticising their appearance is it? Most women in the public eye seem to do the same thing.

I think the fact that Braverman has had a makeover is very relevant. I have no opinion as to whether it is sartorially successful😄😄. But it adds to the picture that she is bidding for leadership.

Casdon

Not sure if my slip up was Freudian - YouGov, not YouGove!

Haha that did make me laugh Casdon!

choughdancer

Casdon

Not sure if my slip up was Freudian - YouGov, not YouGove!

Haha that did make me laugh Casdon!

This thread is not a laughing matter though; the thought of SB as PM with her appalling policies makes me despair.

I heard her being interviewed by Nick Robinson this morning and my impression is that he is correct when he accused her of being a headline-grabber who does it by spreading poison, even within her own party. Do Conservative voters really want this kind of leadership?

The Far Right Tory MPs are quite noisy but I doubt Braverman can mount a leadership bid. Tory MPs generally don't want another election to make them look rattled. Also I think the Far Right are rather divided. Sunak can ignore them. Jenrick is a flash in the pan - no- one will bother about him and his resignation made me remember he has quite a history - see Wikipedia. He was sacked by BoJo.

Grantanow

The Far Right Tory MPs are quite noisy but I doubt Braverman can mount a leadership bid. Tory MPs generally don't want another election to make them look rattled. Also I think the Far Right are rather divided. Sunak can ignore them. Jenrick is a flash in the pan - no- one will bother about him and his resignation made me remember he has quite a history - see Wikipedia. He was sacked by BoJo.

They’ve all been sacked ( or resigned) at one time or another. It seems to be a badge of honour.

That's a good point MayBee70. Perhaps they should start a dining club for sackees. BoJo did a good deal of harm to the Tories by sacking several of the most intelligent and principled MPs from the Party because they defied him over Brexit.

Imo it is no longer the Conservative Party but an abomination of what it once was. No longer ‘conserving’ but trying to change this country out of all recognition.

Siope

As far as I can work out from Cleverley’s wittering, he’s introducing Schrodinger’s Immigration Bill - both in line with international law ignoring it simultaneously. Do I have that right?

And we now have two potential leadership candidates? I would laugh, if the cretinous, incompetent, facile fools that make up this government weren’t doing so much damage to ordinary people.

Very witty! We shall only know when the box is opened.

And of course the cat may turn out to be a dog.

I think Penny Mordaunt is going to outwit all of them and get the leadership. She’s keeping quite a low profile but plotting away. imo

I wonder how secure her seat is? I think it’s one of those that has boundary changes which could favour Labour.

Siope

I wonder how secure her seat is? I think it’s one of those that has boundary changes which could favour Labour.

If her seat is in danger surely she can just carpetbag her way to another, safer one. That's the usual Tory trick. Doesn't always work though...