What will save the Tory party?

But then again I never understood why anyone wanted Boris to be PM !

*If Braverman ever heads this country I m off nicenanny3 and I don’t think I d be travelling alone
You are welcome to this two faced cruel woman*

Yes, I’ll be joining you Bluebell I can’t understand why anyone would want Braverman to be PM!

growstuff

I've heard there are cheap flights to Rwanda.

Nah. I prefer the Caribbean island... 😂

But, she's now a rallying point for the right of the party - and not a few of the general public.

That's as may be, Dickens, but social surveys consistently show that most of the 'public' are not as far to the right as tory politicians, so I feel that Braveman's chances of pulling together enough public support to make the tory party a united and credible party again are slim. Particularly as she now has a challenger in the shape of the Reform Party.

Nor, incidentally, do I think that Farage, who has 7 times failed to even be elected as an MP, would be a leader likely to achieve the resurgence of the tory party. I know we're not even discussing him, but the possibility has been mooted...

I've heard there are cheap flights to Rwanda.

Whitewavemark2

If we pooled all our money perhaps we could buy a Caribbean island, declare independence, then spend the rest of our days arguing about the best way to run it, whilst laying around on the beach sipping cocktails and going for a swim with the flying fish.

I'm in...

It would have to be out of the way of the prevailing wind/hurricanes.

If we pooled all our money perhaps we could buy a Caribbean island, declare independence, then spend the rest of our days arguing about the best way to run it, whilst laying around on the beach sipping cocktails and going for a swim with the flying fish.

BlueBelle

If Braverman ever heads this country I m off nicenanny3 and I don’t think I d be travelling alone
You are welcome to this two faced cruel woman

me too.. where shall we go?

Growstuff - nope no chance.

Dressing all the candidates as Count Binface might save a few of them.

As they say, a week is a long time in politics. There is a way to go before your elections and things can and do change.

MayBee70

BlueBelle

If Braverman ever heads this country I m off nicenanny3 and I don’t think I d be travelling alone
You are welcome to this two faced cruel woman

Seconded. I said something similar on another thread and am still pondering on where on earth I could go to, though. Methinks I would have to, in a cowardly way, shut myself away from news and social media because I’m getting too old to fight such things.

What always strikes me about seemingly uncaring, compassionless people like Braverman is that this aspect of her character is bound to extend further, ultimately, than the chosen target of the day.

If she were to become PM, I think immigrants-in-boats wouldn't be her only bugbear.

She's on record saying her priorities as PM would be to cut taxes and curb public spending. Bearing in mind the modus operandi of the Conservative party at the moment is very much Divide et Impera which is always a good political tactic when a government needs to push through those policies which result from the "difficult decisions" they've made... it doesn't take much imagination to work out who the next targets of her hard-nosed approach would be.

The demonisation of the sick and disabled is already well under way, so that's already in the bag. It's as well to remind ourselves that pensioners are the biggest draw on the welfare budget - it's now accepted that the state pension is a benefit, so those curbs on public spending will undoubtedly further hit the already pared-down services that this demographic need and rely on.

But, she's now a rallying point for the right of the party - and not a few of the general public.

M0nica

GrannyGrunter For every voter farage might attract many many more would defect.

Including many of the Conservative MPs remaining after the next election.

GrannyGrunter For every voter farage might attract many many more would defect.

BlueBelle

If Braverman ever heads this country I m off nicenanny3 and I don’t think I d be travelling alone
You are welcome to this two faced cruel woman

Seconded. I said something similar on another thread and am still pondering on where on earth I could go to, though. Methinks I would have to, in a cowardly way, shut myself away from news and social media because I’m getting too old to fight such things.

I’ve been reading the publication of Reform policies. They read like an extreme form of Liz Truss, with a healthy overriding dollop of xenophobia - I wonder if she will join them?

If Nigel Farage could lead the Tories then I am positive they will win the next election. Nigel stands for everything I believe in, stopping immigration, stopping all these woke individuals and don't get me started on the keyboard warriors on Social Media i.e. Tik Tok, X formerly known as Instagram. They really do my head in.

The Conservatives need to go for the sympathy vote. perhaps if they were to conjure up a pandemic disease and through brilliance of planning and execution we come through it far better than any other country.

Oh, I have just remembered ..............

If Braverman ever heads this country I m off nicenanny3 and I don’t think I d be travelling alone
You are welcome to this two faced cruel woman

Nicenanny3

The next General Election doesn't have to be held until January 2025 so I've read. I predict Sunak will get his marching orders very soon and the members will vote in Suella Braverman to be the new leader and new PM 🙏 perhaps just wishful thinking on my part but I would vote Conservative at the next election if this were the case and not Reform. The big mistake Sunak made was getting rid of her.

I’d be interested why you or anyone else thinks Braverman would gain the Tories votes

MaizieD

^That wasn’t my point though Maisie, I was talking about how the electorate view the politicians, there’s not much coverage of the grind committees, but PMQ is pored over and reported every week, so that’s what people see and remember.^

OK, I appreciate that, Casdon, but perhaps you should have said that PMQs is people's perception of the reality of how Parliament conducts its business.

You’re right, I should. Given that PMQ is what they are judged on though, you would think they would up their game - with some honourable exceptions who are already on top of theirs, to be fair.

That wasn’t my point though Maisie, I was talking about how the electorate view the politicians, there’s not much coverage of the grind committees, but PMQ is pored over and reported every week, so that’s what people see and remember.

OK, I appreciate that, Casdon, but perhaps you should have said that PMQs is people's perception of the reality of how Parliament conducts its business.

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

My monies on Penny Mourdant as next leader, but not until after the GE

If I were Penny Mordaunt, I'd accept the leadership and immediately call an election. The Conservatives would lose. She wouldn't be PM, but quite frankly I wouldn't want to be at the moment. I'd spend the next five years trying to get an electable Conservative team together, developing some strategies which the electorate actually wants and have fun attacking Labour from the other side of the House.

Penny Mordaunt is in a vulnerable seat, there’s not a guarantee she’ll be there post election. If she is, I do think she’d make a better leader than many of her likely opponents for the leadership, as she has a cool head and behaves in a professional manner. The right aren’t going to want her though.

MaizieD

Casdon

ronib

Casdon no I was not joking about pmqs. It’s quite often reminiscent of a bad Punch and Judy show. You might think it is how Parliament conducted business about 200 years ago but to my mind, it needs reform. It hasn’t served its function of holding the pm to account at all.

I don’t see it like that. It has flaws, but you see the reality of how parliament conducts its business, warts and all. The public is entitled to that.

It's not the reality of how parliament conducts its business. It's pure performance.

The real work is done in the committee stage of Bills where they are closely scrutinised, and the holding of ministers to account is done by the various 'Select Committees.

Even so, the party of government with a large majority is able to control the timetable of the Commons so as to evade any real public debate or meaningful scrutiny of Bills by MPs. It's rarely that any other party can influence legislation.

At the moment, the rather more independent Hose of Lords has had the greatest effect on influencing proposed legislation.

That wasn’t my point though Maisie, I was talking about how the electorate view the politicians, there’s not much coverage of the grind committees, but PMQ is pored over and reported every week, so that’s what people see and remember.