What will save the Tory party?

Not a lot to be honest if Labour don’t win the next election they never will and they should follow Boris Johnson and get a landslide victory.

If the polls are accurate Labour will leave Johnson standing.

Some people think that the Conservatives need to spend time out of power in order to redefine themselves. For how long is the question?

Some people think that the Tory party will be irrevocably split between the right/reform types and the more one nation traditional types.

What will save the Tory party?
Nothing short of a miracle

What will save the Tory party?
Nothing, I hope.

Wheniwasyourage

What will save the Tory party?
Nothing, I hope.

Surely, we need a strong opposition regardless of whoever wins the next election?

kittylester

Wheniwasyourage

What will save the Tory party?
Nothing, I hope.

Surely, we need a strong opposition regardless of whoever wins the next election?

I agree, a strong opposition is important. I can’t see that happening for some time though, as it didn’t when Labour lost the election in 2019. The Tories will no doubt regroup in time, but it could well be several years and they may emerge in a new form.

kittylester well we have managed without a strong opposition one is tempted to suggest? Managed being quite difficult to define?

That could be a problem, KL. Difficult to imagine a strong Tory party after the next election. Assuming Labour is able to form a govt on its own the LDs and Green (s?) will presumably be broadly supportive.

ronib

kittylester well we have managed without a strong opposition one is tempted to suggest? Managed being quite difficult to define?

I can tell you haven’t been watching PMQ in the last couple of years ronib.

I have Casdon and it’s excruciating

ronib

I have Casdon and it’s excruciating

I love it ronib, watching Yvette Cooper run rings round Suella Braverman was great sport!

Casdon pmqs is one of life’s mysteries - no answer is ever given to any question. It’s a complete misnomer.
Waffle House more like.

I agree Kittylester, whoever is in power after the next election still needs a strong opposition.
If Labour wins will the Tories provide a strong opposition join forces and forget all their in fighting?
If Labour are in power will they finally give some ideas of what their plans for the country are? Instead of waiting to see what the Tories say then say they do not agree but never clearly say what their plans would be.

I also think that a government with too big a majority is hard to manage, so perversely I am hoping that a majority of 270 won’t happen

It is interesting though that no one has suggested possible policies that might save them?

I think they need one term as the opposition, regroup and win the election after next.

If Labour are in power will they finally give some ideas of what their plans for the country are? Instead of waiting to see what the Tories say then say they do not agree but never clearly say what their plans would be

Although it’s too early for a Manifesto, many of their policies, plans and strategic direction are on their website.

WWM I’m not a Tory supporter, so this is no doubt biased, but I think they lack a coherent political identity or even philosophy, which makes it impossible to see how they could form any kind of long-term policy. Add to that that the things which are of importance to most people are things the Tories cannot credibly claim to want to support or invest in, since they’ve spent over a decade undermining them, and I doubt any one could suggest a realistic policy driven route to electoral success (there are other routes, including a Labour implosion, of course).

I should think about ten years in the political wilderness might be almost enough. They need to lose some of their headbangers and have some long term thinking without ideological dross. If they don't look electable they will never attract the kind of elite leaders they need.

Too much disarray. Too little too late. They have abandoned traditional Tory politics and the electorate have had enough.

ronib

Casdon pmqs is one of life’s mysteries - no answer is ever given to any question. It’s a complete misnomer.
Waffle House more like.

You are I presume joking- it’s the most insight we get into what’s happening in parliament, widely quoted in the media every week. Where else do you think the electorate form their impression of individual politicians and parties and form political views than from the media?

Bella23

I agree Kittylester, whoever is in power after the next election still needs a strong opposition.
If Labour wins will the Tories provide a strong opposition join forces and forget all their in fighting?
If Labour are in power will they finally give some ideas of what their plans for the country are? Instead of waiting to see what the Tories say then say they do not agree but never clearly say what their plans would be.

Yes surely Labour need to set out their stall, let us know how they will manage the economy,😂 immigration, open 🚪, the unions, especially aslef and lynch, and their concerns for the British families and workforces before others.

Freya5

Bella23

I agree Kittylester, whoever is in power after the next election still needs a strong opposition.
If Labour wins will the Tories provide a strong opposition join forces and forget all their in fighting?
If Labour are in power will they finally give some ideas of what their plans for the country are? Instead of waiting to see what the Tories say then say they do not agree but never clearly say what their plans would be.

Yes surely Labour need to set out their stall, let us know how they will manage the economy,😂 immigration, open 🚪, the unions, especially aslef and lynch, and their concerns for the British families and workforces before others.

That’s for once the election is declared surely? I’ve never known any party release detailed plans about what they would do in government months in advance of the date of the election being known. Broad direction yes, which Labour have done, but not firm pledges. Apart from anything else, it gives the other parties less time to knock those pledges down. The Tories haven’t done it either.