What will save the Tory party?

Casdon

ronib

Casdon no I was not joking about pmqs. It’s quite often reminiscent of a bad Punch and Judy show. You might think it is how Parliament conducted business about 200 years ago but to my mind, it needs reform. It hasn’t served its function of holding the pm to account at all.

I don’t see it like that. It has flaws, but you see the reality of how parliament conducts its business, warts and all. The public is entitled to that.

It's not the reality of how parliament conducts its business. It's pure performance.

The real work is done in the committee stage of Bills where they are closely scrutinised, and the holding of ministers to account is done by the various 'Select Committees.

Even so, the party of government with a large majority is able to control the timetable of the Commons so as to evade any real public debate or meaningful scrutiny of Bills by MPs. It's rarely that any other party can influence legislation.

At the moment, the rather more independent Hose of Lords has had the greatest effect on influencing proposed legislation.

GrannyGravy13

My monies on Penny Mourdant as next leader, but not until after the GE

If I were Penny Mordaunt, I'd accept the leadership and immediately call an election. The Conservatives would lose. She wouldn't be PM, but quite frankly I wouldn't want to be at the moment. I'd spend the next five years trying to get an electable Conservative team together, developing some strategies which the electorate actually wants and have fun attacking Labour from the other side of the House.

Nicenanny3

The next General Election doesn't have to be held until January 2025 so I've read. I predict Sunak will get his marching orders very soon and the members will vote in Suella Braverman to be the new leader and new PM 🙏 perhaps just wishful thinking on my part but I would vote Conservative at the next election if this were the case and not Reform. The big mistake Sunak made was getting rid of her.

You know you should! Vote Reform!

What are "traditional Tory politics"?

ronib

Casdon no I was not joking about pmqs. It’s quite often reminiscent of a bad Punch and Judy show. You might think it is how Parliament conducted business about 200 years ago but to my mind, it needs reform. It hasn’t served its function of holding the pm to account at all.

I don’t see it like that. It has flaws, but you see the reality of how parliament conducts its business, warts and all. The public is entitled to that.

For one thing the PM needs to actually answer the questions put to him or her. If someone lies they should be made to tell the truth at the next PMQT. And these sycophantic questions from Tory back benchers need to stop.

Casdon no I was not joking about pmqs. It’s quite often reminiscent of a bad Punch and Judy show. You might think it is how Parliament conducted business about 200 years ago but to my mind, it needs reform. It hasn’t served its function of holding the pm to account at all.

They have abandoned traditional Tory politics and the electorate have had enough.

This.

I get the distinct impression that not even the tories are running the Conservatives.
So until they have a strong leader who is prepared to break whatever needs to be broken, they may continue to run around like headless chickens.

Whitewavemark2

I’ve just been browsing the most recent polls and whilst I don’t for one minute believe that Labour will get a 270 majority as predicted, it does seem a huge mountain for the Tories to climb.

They are clearly hanging on and on in the hope things will start to improve, but every new initiative just seems to make it worse.

What on earth do Tory supporters think will save them from a wipe out?

Perhaps what might save them is if they stop focusing on policies that they think might save them, and instead concentrate on those things that a huge majority of the public are worried about.

Of course immigration is important - but so is the ever-increasing cost of living, the unaffordable hikes in utility prices, the dire state of the NHS, ambulances unable to answer emergencies because they're queued up outside hospitals, the crisis in mental-health services, the almost daily reports of stabbings, the lack of affordable houses to rent or buy, zero-hour contracts... the list is endless.

If Sunak's Rwanda deal goes through - will it make one scrap of difference to any of these issues?

Casdon

ronib

Casdon pmqs is one of life’s mysteries - no answer is ever given to any question. It’s a complete misnomer.
Waffle House more like.

You are I presume joking- it’s the most insight we get into what’s happening in parliament, widely quoted in the media every week. Where else do you think the electorate form their impression of individual politicians and parties and form political views than from the media?

And therein lies the problem - these days, the media have the power to make or break politicians more than ever before - Boris Johnson is a prime example. The media are as dangerous now, perhaps even more so, than the trade unions were in the 1970s.

The next General Election doesn't have to be held until January 2025 so I've read. I predict Sunak will get his marching orders very soon and the members will vote in Suella Braverman to be the new leader and new PM 🙏 perhaps just wishful thinking on my part but I would vote Conservative at the next election if this were the case and not Reform. The big mistake Sunak made was getting rid of her.

My monies on Penny Mourdant as next leader, but not until after the GE

I intend to vote Reform at the next GE. I lent Boris my vote for Brexit. The Tories are in the middle of an internecine mess. Cohesion is non existent. Cameron will be pushing for the One Nation middle ground but Sunak’s a dead duck that’s for sure. Tories are fighting amongst themselves. Some MP’s are panicking - they know they’re about to lose their seats.

If Sunak is given the heave-ho by the 1922 Committee in the NY (unlikely) then possibly fresh talent like Badenoch or Mourdant could save (some) of the day at a GE and stop a total wipe out.

As it is it’s Labour’s to lose.

I watched QT last night and Peter Hitchens doesn't hold out hope for either Labour or Conservatives.

Politics has changed so dramatically with the onset of social media.

For the life of me I can't understand anyone wanting to enter the political arena

Freya5

Bella23

I agree Kittylester, whoever is in power after the next election still needs a strong opposition.
If Labour wins will the Tories provide a strong opposition join forces and forget all their in fighting?
If Labour are in power will they finally give some ideas of what their plans for the country are? Instead of waiting to see what the Tories say then say they do not agree but never clearly say what their plans would be.

Yes surely Labour need to set out their stall, let us know how they will manage the economy,😂 immigration, open 🚪, the unions, especially aslef and lynch, and their concerns for the British families and workforces before others.

That’s for once the election is declared surely? I’ve never known any party release detailed plans about what they would do in government months in advance of the date of the election being known. Broad direction yes, which Labour have done, but not firm pledges. Apart from anything else, it gives the other parties less time to knock those pledges down. The Tories haven’t done it either.

Bella23

I agree Kittylester, whoever is in power after the next election still needs a strong opposition.
If Labour wins will the Tories provide a strong opposition join forces and forget all their in fighting?
If Labour are in power will they finally give some ideas of what their plans for the country are? Instead of waiting to see what the Tories say then say they do not agree but never clearly say what their plans would be.

Yes surely Labour need to set out their stall, let us know how they will manage the economy,😂 immigration, open 🚪, the unions, especially aslef and lynch, and their concerns for the British families and workforces before others.

ronib

Casdon pmqs is one of life’s mysteries - no answer is ever given to any question. It’s a complete misnomer.
Waffle House more like.

You are I presume joking- it’s the most insight we get into what’s happening in parliament, widely quoted in the media every week. Where else do you think the electorate form their impression of individual politicians and parties and form political views than from the media?

Too much disarray. Too little too late. They have abandoned traditional Tory politics and the electorate have had enough.

I should think about ten years in the political wilderness might be almost enough. They need to lose some of their headbangers and have some long term thinking without ideological dross. If they don't look electable they will never attract the kind of elite leaders they need.

If Labour are in power will they finally give some ideas of what their plans for the country are? Instead of waiting to see what the Tories say then say they do not agree but never clearly say what their plans would be

Although it’s too early for a Manifesto, many of their policies, plans and strategic direction are on their website.

WWM I’m not a Tory supporter, so this is no doubt biased, but I think they lack a coherent political identity or even philosophy, which makes it impossible to see how they could form any kind of long-term policy. Add to that that the things which are of importance to most people are things the Tories cannot credibly claim to want to support or invest in, since they’ve spent over a decade undermining them, and I doubt any one could suggest a realistic policy driven route to electoral success (there are other routes, including a Labour implosion, of course).

I think they need one term as the opposition, regroup and win the election after next.

It is interesting though that no one has suggested possible policies that might save them?

I also think that a government with too big a majority is hard to manage, so perversely I am hoping that a majority of 270 won’t happen

I agree Kittylester, whoever is in power after the next election still needs a strong opposition.
If Labour wins will the Tories provide a strong opposition join forces and forget all their in fighting?
If Labour are in power will they finally give some ideas of what their plans for the country are? Instead of waiting to see what the Tories say then say they do not agree but never clearly say what their plans would be.

Casdon pmqs is one of life’s mysteries - no answer is ever given to any question. It’s a complete misnomer.
Waffle House more like.