The cost of the Rwanda Policy

The miners downfall, due to Scargill. The mines would have closed anyway. Climate change. Who brought in the bill for minority civil marriage,oh yes a Tory Government.
You're totally ridiculous in your assertion, hundreds of people crossing daily,many not having any proof of where they come from , in fact I would hazard most of them. How many staff and buildings would that require?and they would lie and disemminate to try their claim, and how much are we spending already, the Rwandan money is a pittance to what we already are spending on housing feeding, and giving pocket money too them over the years.
How do you know they would all be granted asylum,easier than saying no and deporting them, which doesn't happen, as no country seems to want to take their own back, yes. Considering many border force are from immigrant families themselves.
Call me cynical Yes very much so .
Oh just read two asylum seekers arrested on suspicion of serious sexual assault. We need to be more careful who we let in.
How many would you house.

I think that the airlines are wise. They have not been party to the legislation but are at risk of being scapegoats.

And now it seems no British airline is willing to act as carrier for the Rwanda scheme, probably for reputational fears. Sunak says there's no end date for stopping the boats. Move the goalposts? What a waste of taxpayers' money to buy a few votes for the Tories at the next GE.

It’s being mentioned on the news now

MayBee70

What has happened on the barge? They say there has been a death. Is this yet another government plan gone badly wrong?

The Times' headline would appear to indicate that it is a suicide.

I can't get behind the paywall to read further.

What has happened on the barge? They say there has been a death. Is this yet another government plan gone badly wrong?

I am puzzled by the fact that some (number unspecified) "vulnerable Rwandan refugees" will be sent to the UK as part of the deal.

Who are these Rwandan refugees, and why are they not safe in Rwanda?

The Rwandan high commissioner has reportedly said that his country will be a "safe haven" for migrants.

If that is the case, why do they need to relocate the vulnerable ones to the UK? Are they native Rwandans?

This is all I can find

Government documents reveal that a number of Rwandan refugees will be welcomed to the UK as part of the scheme. Part of an agreement between the two nations reads: "The Participants will make arrangements for the United Kingdom to resettle a portion of Rwanda’s most vulnerable refugees in the United Kingdom, recognising both Participants’ commitment towards providing better international protection for refugees.

It was anticipated that all claims from refugees sent to Rwanda would take three months - at most - to process. So Rwanda can manage to do what we can't?

The UK will also pay the accommodation and living expenses of those relocated to Rwanda for up to 5 years. So how much money is being saved by sending them there?

This doesn't really solve the problem at all does it? It might deter a few asylum seekers from getting into boats when word gets out, but it will not deal with the main problem... economic deprivation, wars, the destruction of environments from climate change, and the victimisation of individuals under repressive regimes.

It's a short-term, quick fix, to deal with some of the 'symptoms' of a 'major disease'.

GrannyGravy13

SKYis reporting (with video footage of Mark Francois) that the ERG have/are advising that the Government drops the Rwandan Policy, due to the fact it has far too many faults and holes…

It's not that the Far Right Tories don't want the Rwanda scheme to succeed, they think the Bill as drafted isn't sufficiently proof against judicial review. And some of them want to bring Sunak down. I think he should do a BoJo and kick them out of the Party. They could then join Tice's Party and go into oblivion at the next GE.

SKYis reporting (with video footage of Mark Francois) that the ERG have/are advising that the Government drops the Rwandan Policy, due to the fact it has far too many faults and holes…

This has been flagged up on X twitter accompanying a tweet from Sunak.

His tweet: Rishi Sunak
@RishiSunak
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Dec 7
I’m blocking the reasons used to prevent flights to Rwanda from taking off.

This emergency law is the only way to make Rwanda work and control our borders.

It's abominable

Apparently Rwanda can't take more than 300 refugees. Apparently the govt has paid 240 million so far which works out at £80k per person. Surely that money could be better spent elsewhere - speeding up the immigration process? Helping those accepted find work?

Freya5

Deedaa

After looking at their proposals for visas I've realised that the changes would have meant that my SiL could never have come here to marry DD. It was difficult enough as it was with pages and pages of forms and DD having to prove that, as a post grad student, she had the money to support him. Then several years of yearly visits to Croydon to prove that theirs was a genuine marriage and not just a way for him to get into the country.

Must have operated differently then. My DDs step mum married their father after character references, proof they had lived together, then visa fee paid, married, leave to remain granted but no yearly visits to anywhere to prove anything. Working.
Was your relative not working to support himself.

When was that Freya?

The point Deedaa was making was that it couldn't happen now .

Your DD's step mum wouldn't have the same experience either and wouldn't have had for some time.

Deedaa

After looking at their proposals for visas I've realised that the changes would have meant that my SiL could never have come here to marry DD. It was difficult enough as it was with pages and pages of forms and DD having to prove that, as a post grad student, she had the money to support him. Then several years of yearly visits to Croydon to prove that theirs was a genuine marriage and not just a way for him to get into the country.

Must have operated differently then. My DDs step mum married their father after character references, proof they had lived together, then visa fee paid, married, leave to remain granted but no yearly visits to anywhere to prove anything. Working.
Was your relative not working to support himself.

I thought that too grantanow, you didn’t mishear,
Lies lies and more lies. Twas ever thus.

I thought Cleverly said no money had changed hands for the new Rwanda treaty. I must have misheard.

Let's be clear the appeal of the Conservative party has always been made by targeting a minority and making them the evil body responsible for the country's ills. The miners were Thatcher's, benefit claimers were Cameron's. But now they need the votes of people on benefits. So we have illegal immigrants. Why hasn't the money been spent coping with Asylum seekers? Well for the simple reason that most of those now languishing in a state of limbo, waiting for judgements would have been classed as needing asylum, and that wouldn't suit the Tories at all. They need to be left in hotels where they can be labelled illegal immigrants and blamed for everything.

Thank you!

DaisyAnneReturns

Your not wrong Maizie. But it does need saying if not discussing.

I'm going to start another thread you might find more interesting

I find all your threads interesting.

DaisyAnneReturns

growstuff

PS. People who thought that leaving the EU would bring down immigration are ninnies.

Apparently, if you go back over what was said, bringing immigration down wasn't actual said. It was just "control" of immigration.

People (all people) tend to forget the actual and plump fir what they want.

I just wonder where we would be if we had spent this on a proper set up.

Ah! So that explains everything!

What you're saying suggests my Mum was right. She didn't really care less about the number of immigrants in the country because she didn't really understand anything political.

She was a racist and I thought she would vote Leave in the referendum to prevent EU citizens moving to the UK, but it turned out that she didn't dislike white foreigners, only black foreigners. In her mind, she worked out that if white EU immigrants were barred from coming to the UK, there would be more black ones. Therefore, in her mind, it was better to vote Remain.

Your not wrong Maizie. But it does need saying if not discussing.

I'm going to start another thread you might find more interesting

growstuff

PS. People who thought that leaving the EU would bring down immigration are ninnies.

Apparently, if you go back over what was said, bringing immigration down wasn't actual said. It was just "control" of immigration.

People (all people) tend to forget the actual and plump fir what they want.

I just wonder where we would be if we had spent this on a proper set up.

£wop million😱?

£290million..

DaisyAnneReturns

So driven off topic by the first reply

Has anyone any thoughts about the costs of the Rwanda Plan, and how that money might be used/have been used or shall we just discuss LauraNorder's view on how I should structure my OP?

TBH, DAR, it's so obvious what should have been done with that £wop million (and another £50million in the pipeline) that it scarcely seems worth discussing again.

PS. People who thought that leaving the EU would bring down immigration are ninnies.

MaizieD

I'm not so sure that they are a 'tiny minority', LauraNorder.

Pleas excuse me just one more post DAR.

I agree Maizie. Most political modelling shows that about 25% of the UK population has entrenched racist values.